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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/14/24326/comment-page-1#comment-72835</link>
		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s especially stupid about the Special Rights argument is that allowing marriage equality expands civil rights for *each and every* person living in that jurisdiction.

With marriage equality, instead of being required to marry a person of the opposite sex, straight people have the option (which no doubt they will choose not to exercise) to marry someone of the same sex.

Just because a person doesn&#039;t want access to a right doesn&#039;t mean, a) it&#039;s a bad right or, b) that he has to take advantage of it.  Look at smoking and gun ownership - two rights that a lot of people don&#039;t take advantage of, but the people who do partake will scream bloody murder if you try to remove them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s especially stupid about the Special Rights argument is that allowing marriage equality expands civil rights for *each and every* person living in that jurisdiction.</p>
<p>With marriage equality, instead of being required to marry a person of the opposite sex, straight people have the option (which no doubt they will choose not to exercise) to marry someone of the same sex.</p>
<p>Just because a person doesn&#8217;t want access to a right doesn&#8217;t mean, a) it&#8217;s a bad right or, b) that he has to take advantage of it.  Look at smoking and gun ownership &#8211; two rights that a lot of people don&#8217;t take advantage of, but the people who do partake will scream bloody murder if you try to remove them.</p>
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		<title>By: VapoRob</title>
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		<dc:creator>VapoRob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 07:34:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are there some extra rights that we are fighting for that I&#039;m not aware of?  I was under the impression that all we were asking for were the same rights that heterosexuals already have.  And can you name anyone who has been straight bashed?  I can name Mathew Shephard, Laurence King, and someone with the last name Aroro I think who was transgendered.  My science, what Twilight Zone is this nuthead living in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are there some extra rights that we are fighting for that I&#8217;m not aware of?  I was under the impression that all we were asking for were the same rights that heterosexuals already have.  And can you name anyone who has been straight bashed?  I can name Mathew Shephard, Laurence King, and someone with the last name Aroro I think who was transgendered.  My science, what Twilight Zone is this nuthead living in?</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/14/24326/comment-page-1#comment-72712</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...so in other words, no matter how the bigots want to frame it gays aren&#039;t asking for special rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;so in other words, no matter how the bigots want to frame it gays aren&#8217;t asking for special rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/14/24326/comment-page-1#comment-72710</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burr wrote:

““They are wanting rights that heterosexuals don’t have.”

And those rights are..?”

Richard replied &quot;Since heterosexuals don’t have the right to marry a person of the same sex, neither should homosexuals. I suppose that is what passes for rational in NOM-land.&quot;.

When gays are allowed to marry heterosexuals will also have the right to a same sex marriage so gays won&#039;t have any rights that heterosexuals don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burr wrote:</p>
<p>““They are wanting rights that heterosexuals don’t have.”</p>
<p>And those rights are..?”</p>
<p>Richard replied &#8220;Since heterosexuals don’t have the right to marry a person of the same sex, neither should homosexuals. I suppose that is what passes for rational in NOM-land.&#8221;.</p>
<p>When gays are allowed to marry heterosexuals will also have the right to a same sex marriage so gays won&#8217;t have any rights that heterosexuals don&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul in Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul in Canada</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 15:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wackadoodle nut jobs, all of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wackadoodle nut jobs, all of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:19:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somebody needs to visit the National Holocaust Museum.</description>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s weird having opponents who don&#039;t live on the same planet we do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s weird having opponents who don&#8217;t live on the same planet we do.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 03:30:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Burr is right.   We must point out at every opportunity the rights our heterosexual friends have and we don&#039;t. 

At the workplace.  With your family.  

We need to knock down the oft repeated rhetoric:  &quot;Special Rights&quot; and ask people to show where we are asking for something special.   

There is nothing special when it comes to equality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Burr is right.   We must point out at every opportunity the rights our heterosexual friends have and we don&#8217;t. </p>
<p>At the workplace.  With your family.  </p>
<p>We need to knock down the oft repeated rhetoric:  &#8220;Special Rights&#8221; and ask people to show where we are asking for something special.   </p>
<p>There is nothing special when it comes to equality.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:29:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s the Admin&#039;s take on that little pink triangles thing: &quot;Wikipedia, please. I can go onto Wikipedia and place anything on there at any time on any subject that has already been posted. It is a very sloppy place to do research.&quot;

Nice. And I&#039;m reading all this on Facebook, right above a post from The Advocate about that couple who were beaten in Staten Island recently.  At some point, I fully expect to see these gutter crawling bigots just admit outright that violence is merely our due.  Orson Scott Card, who is a NOM board member, is on record as saying the laws against sodomy are there not so much to lock us all up as to suppress homosexual behavior.  Well I suppose violence does that too doesn&#039;t it?  At some point they&#039;re just going to come right out and say that a fearful homosexual is a good homosexual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s the Admin&#8217;s take on that little pink triangles thing: &#8220;Wikipedia, please. I can go onto Wikipedia and place anything on there at any time on any subject that has already been posted. It is a very sloppy place to do research.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nice. And I&#8217;m reading all this on Facebook, right above a post from The Advocate about that couple who were beaten in Staten Island recently.  At some point, I fully expect to see these gutter crawling bigots just admit outright that violence is merely our due.  Orson Scott Card, who is a NOM board member, is on record as saying the laws against sodomy are there not so much to lock us all up as to suppress homosexual behavior.  Well I suppose violence does that too doesn&#8217;t it?  At some point they&#8217;re just going to come right out and say that a fearful homosexual is a good homosexual.</p>
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		<title>By: Evan Hurst</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/14/24326/comment-page-1#comment-72670</link>
		<dc:creator>Evan Hurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jul 2010 01:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting, and entirely predictable, to watch NOM go in the direction of the Peter LaBarberas of the world.  It means they&#039;re desperate, and that we&#039;re winning public opinion so fast it&#039;s giving them whiplash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting, and entirely predictable, to watch NOM go in the direction of the Peter LaBarberas of the world.  It means they&#8217;re desperate, and that we&#8217;re winning public opinion so fast it&#8217;s giving them whiplash.</p>
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