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	<title>Comments on: Where Does San Francisco&#8217;s AIDSWalk Money Go?</title>
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		<title>By: chicago dyke</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicago dyke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>just like in politics, and there&#039;s plenty of overlap, nonprofit administration culture is fucked to the max just now, imho. i&#039;ve had plenty of experience with nonprofits and charities over the years, and it seems to me the last 10-15 years have seen a really ugly emphasis on &quot;attracting top talent&quot; with high admin pay and loose monitoring of what they do with the money. as the first few posters noted, i&#039;d agree the real story isn&#039;t that poor brown people in Latin America get the money, but that 20% of donations go to helping the sick, and the rest to pay the staff and their &quot;expenses.&quot; lots and lots of major charities and nonprofits have this problem, btw. 

bottom line: research your charity, thoroughly, before you give. always.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>just like in politics, and there&#8217;s plenty of overlap, nonprofit administration culture is fucked to the max just now, imho. i&#8217;ve had plenty of experience with nonprofits and charities over the years, and it seems to me the last 10-15 years have seen a really ugly emphasis on &#8220;attracting top talent&#8221; with high admin pay and loose monitoring of what they do with the money. as the first few posters noted, i&#8217;d agree the real story isn&#8217;t that poor brown people in Latin America get the money, but that 20% of donations go to helping the sick, and the rest to pay the staff and their &#8220;expenses.&#8221; lots and lots of major charities and nonprofits have this problem, btw. </p>
<p>bottom line: research your charity, thoroughly, before you give. always.</p>
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		<title>By: paul j stein</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul j stein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 23:01:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AIDS funding system is a big CASH COW for the administrators and staff. I was REFUSED help for security improvements in my home after numerous thefts (10). I couldn&#039;t get ANY utility help after paying out $800 for security doors. I get ssi and they said pay for it yourself. I removed myself from their client list and sent some e-mails but was shut out by state officials. ARC OHIO is a sham!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AIDS funding system is a big CASH COW for the administrators and staff. I was REFUSED help for security improvements in my home after numerous thefts (10). I couldn&#8217;t get ANY utility help after paying out $800 for security doors. I get ssi and they said pay for it yourself. I removed myself from their client list and sent some e-mails but was shut out by state officials. ARC OHIO is a sham!</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Jul 2010 03:37:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;We fight wars for other countries in the name of democracy and it’s our servicemen coming home in caskets.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How many times has the US toppled democracies and installed dictators? I lose count after a while.

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>We fight wars for other countries in the name of democracy and it’s our servicemen coming home in caskets.</p></blockquote>
<p>How many times has the US toppled democracies and installed dictators? I lose count after a while.</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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		<title>By: jOHN</title>
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		<dc:creator>jOHN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hum...talking to a friend about AWSF last night.  I have taken part in AWSF since year 2 and would also do the Dance-A-thon that was put on by the same organization until the last year of it.  The last one was done by Project Open Hand I believe.  As the date got closer I had not heard from them and usually I would get a call or 2 asking for my help.  When I didn&#039;t hear from them I called and asked how come I didn&#039;t get a call,  Well i didn&#039;t get a call because the organization that had been putting it on would not share their mailing list.  How charitable is that?  These contacts when made through volunteers and turned over to this organization and would not share this information with the new group that was putting on this same fund raiser.  Shouldn&#039;t this information belong to the event.  Really left a bad taste in my mouth and i have decided to not donate my time for 2 years now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hum&#8230;talking to a friend about AWSF last night.  I have taken part in AWSF since year 2 and would also do the Dance-A-thon that was put on by the same organization until the last year of it.  The last one was done by Project Open Hand I believe.  As the date got closer I had not heard from them and usually I would get a call or 2 asking for my help.  When I didn&#8217;t hear from them I called and asked how come I didn&#8217;t get a call,  Well i didn&#8217;t get a call because the organization that had been putting it on would not share their mailing list.  How charitable is that?  These contacts when made through volunteers and turned over to this organization and would not share this information with the new group that was putting on this same fund raiser.  Shouldn&#8217;t this information belong to the event.  Really left a bad taste in my mouth and i have decided to not donate my time for 2 years now.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:23:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;m sick and tired of hearing the amount of $$ the U.S. donates to other countries, whether that be through our government or through our citizens.

Why must we be the saviors of the world when we can&#039;t take care of our own people at home?

ADAP waiting lists, Federal Gov&#039;t $25M grant for ADAP, it&#039;s all money on top of money.

Damn it, I want my $$ to go directly to a serviceable group within the United States.

We fight wars for other countries in the name of democracy and it&#039;s our servicemen coming home in caskets. We spend billions to take care of other countries and their starvation while we have people hungry here. It all HAS to stop for a change.

Organizations like the San Fran Aids Walk need to be investigated further, reported on, and the information made readily available to those making donations or volunteering their time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;m sick and tired of hearing the amount of $$ the U.S. donates to other countries, whether that be through our government or through our citizens.</p>
<p>Why must we be the saviors of the world when we can&#8217;t take care of our own people at home?</p>
<p>ADAP waiting lists, Federal Gov&#8217;t $25M grant for ADAP, it&#8217;s all money on top of money.</p>
<p>Damn it, I want my $$ to go directly to a serviceable group within the United States.</p>
<p>We fight wars for other countries in the name of democracy and it&#8217;s our servicemen coming home in caskets. We spend billions to take care of other countries and their starvation while we have people hungry here. It all HAS to stop for a change.</p>
<p>Organizations like the San Fran Aids Walk need to be investigated further, reported on, and the information made readily available to those making donations or volunteering their time!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 21:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve participated in this walk, and I also thought the money was going to local charities. (Nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people are being deceived here.) Also, I agree that the amount of money being spent on administrative expenses needs to be disclosed.

And if you you do know someone with HIV/AIDS who needs help, maybe you should just cut out the middleman and help him directly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve participated in this walk, and I also thought the money was going to local charities. (Nothing wrong with helping people in other countries, but people are being deceived here.) Also, I agree that the amount of money being spent on administrative expenses needs to be disclosed.</p>
<p>And if you you do know someone with HIV/AIDS who needs help, maybe you should just cut out the middleman and help him directly.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree with Rossi:  

The bigger story seems to be how much money goes to the SF AIDS Foundation&#039;s admin and expenses.  

If I&#039;m reading these numbers correctly, it seems only $746K went to AIDs services. Does that mean $2.8 Million (79%) went to the Foundations admin and expenses?  

Nine years ago SF AIDS Foundation parted with Dan Pallotta because they thought his expense ratio in running AIDS Ride was too high. (In 2001, the last year before this break with SF AIDS Foundation, Pallotta&#039;s company netted $69 million for charities out of $136 million in revenues from 16 charity events; 49 percent of revenues were used to pay for Pallotta&#039;s firm&#039;s expenses and fees.)  

So with Pallotta they were seeing a 51% return.  But now they&#039;re only seeing a 21% return? 

If this is correct, then this could be a big story.  SF AIDS Foundation and LA AIDS Foundation parted with Pallotta 9 years ago and started doing their own rides, saying they could do better on their own.

Looks like they&#039;re failing.  Sounds like we should see their Financial Reports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree with Rossi:  </p>
<p>The bigger story seems to be how much money goes to the SF AIDS Foundation&#8217;s admin and expenses.  </p>
<p>If I&#8217;m reading these numbers correctly, it seems only $746K went to AIDs services. Does that mean $2.8 Million (79%) went to the Foundations admin and expenses?  </p>
<p>Nine years ago SF AIDS Foundation parted with Dan Pallotta because they thought his expense ratio in running AIDS Ride was too high. (In 2001, the last year before this break with SF AIDS Foundation, Pallotta&#8217;s company netted $69 million for charities out of $136 million in revenues from 16 charity events; 49 percent of revenues were used to pay for Pallotta&#8217;s firm&#8217;s expenses and fees.)  </p>
<p>So with Pallotta they were seeing a 51% return.  But now they&#8217;re only seeing a 21% return? </p>
<p>If this is correct, then this could be a big story.  SF AIDS Foundation and LA AIDS Foundation parted with Pallotta 9 years ago and started doing their own rides, saying they could do better on their own.</p>
<p>Looks like they&#8217;re failing.  Sounds like we should see their Financial Reports.</p>
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		<title>By: Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I think this story would take on even more importance if you looked into how MUCH of the money goes to service vs. how much of it goes to the Exec Director, staff, administration, marketing, etc.

This is usually a place where the gay charities (see EQCA) tend to fall apart: The peeps at the top take home a big fat paycheck, and when you compare it to other service charities, and look at the charity ratings, they are dismal.

I don&#039;t know if this is the case with AWSF, but I would sure love to see some examination of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I think this story would take on even more importance if you looked into how MUCH of the money goes to service vs. how much of it goes to the Exec Director, staff, administration, marketing, etc.</p>
<p>This is usually a place where the gay charities (see EQCA) tend to fall apart: The peeps at the top take home a big fat paycheck, and when you compare it to other service charities, and look at the charity ratings, they are dismal.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is the case with AWSF, but I would sure love to see some examination of it.</p>
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