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	<title>Comments on: NOM&#8217;s policy on babies</title>
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		<title>By: Kyle Toms brother</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/25/24665/comment-page-1#comment-74281</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Toms brother</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 04:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My first reaction when I read that crap that the Louis guy said about my brother and my brother and law and niece not only made me sick but angry. But remembering that the greatest weapon is LOVE. The Love within our hearts will diffuse any stupidity, bigotry, and hatred eventually. I hope all people who judge others and promote hate will wake up and realize that we are all one, and to let others be them selves and to be happy. Tom and Rick are amazing people and amazing parents. They have a very normal family life. These bigots judge my brother are wrong  about gay parents. Tom and Rick have created a beautiful home life for them and amoret. They promote love. If I was a kid and I could choose my parents I would choose Tom and Ricks household over someone like Louis who promotes hate. But I will just send love and I am very happy that Tom is my brother and that he is happy. It&#039;s time for people to be true christians and let your brothers and sisters be, don&#039;t judge focus on your own life. Be good to all people. Even the haters, may they feel the love.
Peace Love and smiles.
Miss ya Tom, Rick and Amoret
Love ya 
Kyle</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My first reaction when I read that crap that the Louis guy said about my brother and my brother and law and niece not only made me sick but angry. But remembering that the greatest weapon is LOVE. The Love within our hearts will diffuse any stupidity, bigotry, and hatred eventually. I hope all people who judge others and promote hate will wake up and realize that we are all one, and to let others be them selves and to be happy. Tom and Rick are amazing people and amazing parents. They have a very normal family life. These bigots judge my brother are wrong  about gay parents. Tom and Rick have created a beautiful home life for them and amoret. They promote love. If I was a kid and I could choose my parents I would choose Tom and Ricks household over someone like Louis who promotes hate. But I will just send love and I am very happy that Tom is my brother and that he is happy. It&#8217;s time for people to be true christians and let your brothers and sisters be, don&#8217;t judge focus on your own life. Be good to all people. Even the haters, may they feel the love.<br />
Peace Love and smiles.<br />
Miss ya Tom, Rick and Amoret<br />
Love ya<br />
Kyle</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 06:47:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom and Rick,

Thank you for putting a face to those &quot;ookie scary militant homosexual activists who are adoping not-real kids just for their agenda&quot;.  It&#039;s a lot harder spouting hatred when the victim of your demonization are right there in front of you.  And thank you for standing up for Amoret.  She is a lucky little girl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom and Rick,</p>
<p>Thank you for putting a face to those &#8220;ookie scary militant homosexual activists who are adoping not-real kids just for their agenda&#8221;.  It&#8217;s a lot harder spouting hatred when the victim of your demonization are right there in front of you.  And thank you for standing up for Amoret.  She is a lucky little girl.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom, Rick and Amoret</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/25/24665/comment-page-1#comment-73817</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom, Rick and Amoret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 03:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the pic is of our family.  We were at the rally organized by Equality Ohio to stand up for our families.  We walked up to the front amongst the NOM folks (there were only about 20 people).  We definitely stood out and the speaker was a bit taken aback.  After they finished their hate-filled rants we introduced ourselves to the organizer.  We told him that when they are spouting this stuff to please think about families like ours - that we love our daughter just as much as he loves his kids.  And that our daughter does not deserve to be told that she is not part of a real family.  We told him that Ohio is already last in the nation for LGBT equality and that we did not understand why they were here, I mean really, could you just leave us alone for crying out loud!  Any how, we are glad we took our daughter and we will continue to stand up for our family with her.  Our family is not a prop we are simply standing up for ourselves and our community and we will not be intimidated or hide from hate!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the pic is of our family.  We were at the rally organized by Equality Ohio to stand up for our families.  We walked up to the front amongst the NOM folks (there were only about 20 people).  We definitely stood out and the speaker was a bit taken aback.  After they finished their hate-filled rants we introduced ourselves to the organizer.  We told him that when they are spouting this stuff to please think about families like ours &#8211; that we love our daughter just as much as he loves his kids.  And that our daughter does not deserve to be told that she is not part of a real family.  We told him that Ohio is already last in the nation for LGBT equality and that we did not understand why they were here, I mean really, could you just leave us alone for crying out loud!  Any how, we are glad we took our daughter and we will continue to stand up for our family with her.  Our family is not a prop we are simply standing up for ourselves and our community and we will not be intimidated or hide from hate!</p>
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		<title>By: Aya</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 22:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;symbol&quot; bit annoyed me too (as you can see from my comment on his blog). :P

To me, they&#039;re not showing off the child as a symbol but the family as a whole as a symbol.  And what a beautiful symbol that is, in my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;symbol&#8221; bit annoyed me too (as you can see from my comment on his blog). :P</p>
<p>To me, they&#8217;re not showing off the child as a symbol but the family as a whole as a symbol.  And what a beautiful symbol that is, in my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/25/24665/comment-page-1#comment-73662</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You overlook the fact that many M-M couples now opt for one of the partners to be the sperm donor and have their child thru a surrogate mother. This is every much their child as a step-parent raising a child from a very young age.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Good point.  Still, odds are when a child is of a different race and color than the parents it&#039;s adopted.  That&#039;s not a certainty as you note.
&lt;blockquote&gt;The racial element can not be dismissed since these bigots are almost exclusively white Tea-Baggers as will as being gNOMe bigots.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So IOW you wish to engage in the very same racism and stereo-typing that you criticize others for?  Interesting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You overlook the fact that many M-M couples now opt for one of the partners to be the sperm donor and have their child thru a surrogate mother. This is every much their child as a step-parent raising a child from a very young age.</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point.  Still, odds are when a child is of a different race and color than the parents it&#8217;s adopted.  That&#8217;s not a certainty as you note.</p>
<blockquote><p>The racial element can not be dismissed since these bigots are almost exclusively white Tea-Baggers as will as being gNOMe bigots.</p></blockquote>
<p>So IOW you wish to engage in the very same racism and stereo-typing that you criticize others for?  Interesting&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The overt racism--direct or implied--is pretty appalling--as is the dig at all adoptive parents.  Remember that these people only care about fetuses anyway.  They wouldn&#039;t care if there were huge encampments of minority babies lying around all over the U.S.--just so long as not one mother was allowed to have an abortion or one gay man/woman/couple was allowed to adopt.  As Randi Rhodes says, &quot;they love the fetus and hate the child.&quot;

I do find it interesting that they picked out the Mormon couple--who were probably ordered by their local Elder to attend.  

(I cannot resist this JOKE--apologies in advance if anyone if offended:  I am amazed that they only have one kid--I didn&#039;t think BYU gave diplomas to anyone with less than three.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The overt racism&#8211;direct or implied&#8211;is pretty appalling&#8211;as is the dig at all adoptive parents.  Remember that these people only care about fetuses anyway.  They wouldn&#8217;t care if there were huge encampments of minority babies lying around all over the U.S.&#8211;just so long as not one mother was allowed to have an abortion or one gay man/woman/couple was allowed to adopt.  As Randi Rhodes says, &#8220;they love the fetus and hate the child.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do find it interesting that they picked out the Mormon couple&#8211;who were probably ordered by their local Elder to attend.  </p>
<p>(I cannot resist this JOKE&#8211;apologies in advance if anyone if offended:  I am amazed that they only have one kid&#8211;I didn&#8217;t think BYU gave diplomas to anyone with less than three.)</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 15:27:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I do think there is a racist element there. He could have made the same cut about them not being “real” parents if the kid were white. He chose to point out the kid’s race, which was unnecessary. If a MM couple have a child, it obviously isn’t a biological one.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Perhaps, but I doubt it.  There&#039;s enough to criticize NOM for without bringing in a flimsy charge of racism.  The fact that the parents are of an obviously different color and race is a sign that the child is adopted.  If the child were obviously of the same race and color as at least one of the same-sex parents there would still be a chance one could be the biological parent.  This to me was an stupid slam on adoptive parents even though I&#039;m sure NOM only meant it for same-sex parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I do think there is a racist element there. He could have made the same cut about them not being “real” parents if the kid were white. He chose to point out the kid’s race, which was unnecessary. If a MM couple have a child, it obviously isn’t a biological one.</p></blockquote>
<p>Perhaps, but I doubt it.  There&#8217;s enough to criticize NOM for without bringing in a flimsy charge of racism.  The fact that the parents are of an obviously different color and race is a sign that the child is adopted.  If the child were obviously of the same race and color as at least one of the same-sex parents there would still be a chance one could be the biological parent.  This to me was an stupid slam on adoptive parents even though I&#8217;m sure NOM only meant it for same-sex parents.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@GreenEyedLilo -  Not just from &quot;previous relationships&quot;.  Some of us have biological children that were born to us while married to our same sex spouses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@GreenEyedLilo &#8211;  Not just from &#8220;previous relationships&#8221;.  Some of us have biological children that were born to us while married to our same sex spouses.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEyedLilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenEyedLilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:56:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh.  I thought that use of the child as a &quot;symbol&quot; was called being a responsible parent who didn&#039;t want to leave the baby at home by himself.  And if the male couple was using their child as a symbol, so the hell was the mixed-sex one!

I also wonder if that adorable white baby in the first picture was adopted, too.  It is, of course, possible.

The undertones here are absolutely disgusting.

@ Bearchewtoy:  Some same-sex couples do have biological children from previous relationships.  I know two bisexual parents, both with same-sex partners now, raising children conceived in previous mixed-sex relationships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh.  I thought that use of the child as a &#8220;symbol&#8221; was called being a responsible parent who didn&#8217;t want to leave the baby at home by himself.  And if the male couple was using their child as a symbol, so the hell was the mixed-sex one!</p>
<p>I also wonder if that adorable white baby in the first picture was adopted, too.  It is, of course, possible.</p>
<p>The undertones here are absolutely disgusting.</p>
<p>@ Bearchewtoy:  Some same-sex couples do have biological children from previous relationships.  I know two bisexual parents, both with same-sex partners now, raising children conceived in previous mixed-sex relationships.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 07:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I remember correctly Steven Curtis Chapman, the popular evangelical singer, and his wife adopted three Chinese daughters. I wonder how they would feel knowing these girls weren&#039;t *really* their daughters? After all, it&#039;s obvious they aren&#039;t *their* daughters since Steven and his wife are white and the girls aren&#039;t.

Personally, I believe that if an individual or group or prejudiced against one group, such as gays, they&#039;re very likely to be prejudiced against other groups. The comment on interracial adoptions does nothing to make me reconsider my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I remember correctly Steven Curtis Chapman, the popular evangelical singer, and his wife adopted three Chinese daughters. I wonder how they would feel knowing these girls weren&#8217;t *really* their daughters? After all, it&#8217;s obvious they aren&#8217;t *their* daughters since Steven and his wife are white and the girls aren&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Personally, I believe that if an individual or group or prejudiced against one group, such as gays, they&#8217;re very likely to be prejudiced against other groups. The comment on interracial adoptions does nothing to make me reconsider my opinion.</p>
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