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	<title>Comments on: NJ Library Removes LGBT Book, Calling It &#8220;Child Pornography&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-75697</link>
		<dc:creator>SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Aug 2010 04:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;On rare occasion, we have situations where a piece of material is not what it appears to be on the surface and the material is totally inappropriate for a school library. In that case, yes, it is appropriate to remove materials. If it doesn&#039;t fit your material selection policy, get it out of there.&quot;

&quot;Marking 25 Years of Banned Books Week,&quot; by Judith Krug of the ALA, Curriculum Review, 46:1, Sep. 2006.

http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-18037684_ITM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;On rare occasion, we have situations where a piece of material is not what it appears to be on the surface and the material is totally inappropriate for a school library. In that case, yes, it is appropriate to remove materials. If it doesn&#8217;t fit your material selection policy, get it out of there.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Marking 25 Years of Banned Books Week,&#8221; by Judith Krug of the ALA, Curriculum Review, 46:1, Sep. 2006.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-18037684_ITM" rel="nofollow">http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-18037684_ITM</a></p>
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		<title>By: SafeLibraries</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-74283</link>
		<dc:creator>SafeLibraries</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Aug 2010 05:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have more to say on this topic, including a citation to this Box Turtle Bulletin post, here:

http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2010/08/et-tu-mary-minow-then-fall-gail-sweet.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have more to say on this topic, including a citation to this Box Turtle Bulletin post, here:</p>
<p><a href="http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2010/08/et-tu-mary-minow-then-fall-gail-sweet.html" rel="nofollow">http://safelibraries.blogspot.com/2010/08/et-tu-mary-minow-then-fall-gail-sweet.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Laura Herndon</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-74032</link>
		<dc:creator>Laura Herndon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:02:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is the mission of any library to make information available, not to restrict access to information. Libraries are not meant to determine what is appropriate for any individual to see. If parents are concerned about what their children read it is their responsibility to monitor their selections. Libraries should not be forced into the role of babysitters.

Congratulations, Gail Sweet. By ignoring the proper processes for consideration of materials you have made a mockery of the basic tenants of library science and proven yourself a discredit to the profession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is the mission of any library to make information available, not to restrict access to information. Libraries are not meant to determine what is appropriate for any individual to see. If parents are concerned about what their children read it is their responsibility to monitor their selections. Libraries should not be forced into the role of babysitters.</p>
<p>Congratulations, Gail Sweet. By ignoring the proper processes for consideration of materials you have made a mockery of the basic tenants of library science and proven yourself a discredit to the profession.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Anne S</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-74000</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Anne S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 18:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sooo... when are Sonnie and her publisher going to sue Sweet for slander and defamation of character? She has falsely accused them, in her two-word email, of committing a crime, i.e., producing and disseminating child pornography. This is illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and is a felony under Federal law. Those are not words one throws around to justify one&#039;s own actions, Ms. Sweet.

On the other hand, it&#039;s splendid publicity: Guess what title just went on my list of things to purchase? It may even go back into print if the demand is high enough!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sooo&#8230; when are Sonnie and her publisher going to sue Sweet for slander and defamation of character? She has falsely accused them, in her two-word email, of committing a crime, i.e., producing and disseminating child pornography. This is illegal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia, and is a felony under Federal law. Those are not words one throws around to justify one&#8217;s own actions, Ms. Sweet.</p>
<p>On the other hand, it&#8217;s splendid publicity: Guess what title just went on my list of things to purchase? It may even go back into print if the demand is high enough!</p>
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		<title>By: Cassandra</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-73958</link>
		<dc:creator>Cassandra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 13:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God forbid that any queer children might need that book, or books like it, to understand or validate their sexuality. I guess they&#039;ll just have to make do with the lunchroom gossip and the internet...and then if they grow up emotionally stunted and make bad relationship choices, or come to harm, the cry goes up, &quot;it&#039;s their own fault for being queer!&quot;

The cry of &quot;we must protect our children,&quot; as always, remains &quot;we must protect our straight children, but must ban books that educate, and pass laws against that which protects, our gay kids. Because it&#039;s just not good for teenagers to know about this stuff.&quot;

If parents won&#039;t talk about sexuality with their kids in an effort to keep them innocent, and if the books talking about sexuality are banned in an effort to keep &#039;kids&#039; in general &#039;protected&#039; (from what? adult knowledge of sexuality) then where do kids turn? Lunchroom gossip? Other kids are kept from knowledge about sexuality via the same methods that you are, so anything you&#039;re going to hear is very well likely going to be misinformed at best and actively dangerous/harmful at worst.

Protect our queer and straight children from knowledge!
Protect our queer and straight children from safety!
Protect our queer and straight children from taking their place in society as adults....

...oh, wait--isn&#039;t that &quot;protect our queer adults from taking their place in society as adults?&quot;

It&#039;s the same technique--bury the existence of queer people by destroying or twisting the information about them that is available.

This isn&#039;t a teen issue, and it&#039;s not even a queer issue--it&#039;s an issue of educating people about sexuality and being silenced for it. Presenting it like a queer teen &quot;safety&quot; issue (as many media outlets and the library have) just obscures the fact that &lt;i&gt;the same silencing techniques are being used to keep queer people of any age from understanding themselves, and being used to keep straight people of any age from understanding queer people:&lt;/i&gt;

God forbid some straight mom should want to know how other parents dealt with their teenage kids&#039; recently declared queerness--she might find out that other mom baked her daughter an Ellen cake! That would destroy the fabric of civilization as we know it.

I know my own mom relies mostly on books like this to try and understand me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God forbid that any queer children might need that book, or books like it, to understand or validate their sexuality. I guess they&#8217;ll just have to make do with the lunchroom gossip and the internet&#8230;and then if they grow up emotionally stunted and make bad relationship choices, or come to harm, the cry goes up, &#8220;it&#8217;s their own fault for being queer!&#8221;</p>
<p>The cry of &#8220;we must protect our children,&#8221; as always, remains &#8220;we must protect our straight children, but must ban books that educate, and pass laws against that which protects, our gay kids. Because it&#8217;s just not good for teenagers to know about this stuff.&#8221;</p>
<p>If parents won&#8217;t talk about sexuality with their kids in an effort to keep them innocent, and if the books talking about sexuality are banned in an effort to keep &#8216;kids&#8217; in general &#8216;protected&#8217; (from what? adult knowledge of sexuality) then where do kids turn? Lunchroom gossip? Other kids are kept from knowledge about sexuality via the same methods that you are, so anything you&#8217;re going to hear is very well likely going to be misinformed at best and actively dangerous/harmful at worst.</p>
<p>Protect our queer and straight children from knowledge!<br />
Protect our queer and straight children from safety!<br />
Protect our queer and straight children from taking their place in society as adults&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8230;oh, wait&#8211;isn&#8217;t that &#8220;protect our queer adults from taking their place in society as adults?&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same technique&#8211;bury the existence of queer people by destroying or twisting the information about them that is available.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a teen issue, and it&#8217;s not even a queer issue&#8211;it&#8217;s an issue of educating people about sexuality and being silenced for it. Presenting it like a queer teen &#8220;safety&#8221; issue (as many media outlets and the library have) just obscures the fact that <i>the same silencing techniques are being used to keep queer people of any age from understanding themselves, and being used to keep straight people of any age from understanding queer people:</i></p>
<p>God forbid some straight mom should want to know how other parents dealt with their teenage kids&#8217; recently declared queerness&#8211;she might find out that other mom baked her daughter an Ellen cake! That would destroy the fabric of civilization as we know it.</p>
<p>I know my own mom relies mostly on books like this to try and understand me.</p>
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		<title>By: penguinsaur</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-73951</link>
		<dc:creator>penguinsaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In high school our school library had a copy of Mein Kampf sitting on a shelf where anyone could grab it and read it.

I doubt my library was alone in doing this and I&#039;m going to laugh my ass off when they day inevitably comes, and probably already has several times, when a conservative group tries to get a book banned for being &#039;offensive&#039; *AKA: not agreeing with them* while doing absolutely nothing about the book in the same library calling for Jew genocide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In high school our school library had a copy of Mein Kampf sitting on a shelf where anyone could grab it and read it.</p>
<p>I doubt my library was alone in doing this and I&#8217;m going to laugh my ass off when they day inevitably comes, and probably already has several times, when a conservative group tries to get a book banned for being &#8216;offensive&#8217; *AKA: not agreeing with them* while doing absolutely nothing about the book in the same library calling for Jew genocide.</p>
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		<title>By: Tone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 04:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is wonderful reporting, and more than a little disturbing. Our detractors are well-organized, well-funded, and many of them really would prefer if they could disappear us as easily as they disappear books that don&#039;t meet their approval.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is wonderful reporting, and more than a little disturbing. Our detractors are well-organized, well-funded, and many of them really would prefer if they could disappear us as easily as they disappear books that don&#8217;t meet their approval.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The items which Marinelli objected to so strenuously were the &quot;child porn&quot; which seems to have been conceptual rather than literal.

It appears that the book contains two illustrations that seek to artistically draw the reader to compare the &quot;wholesomeness&quot; of boy scouts with the reality of gay sexuality.  While they are provocative, they are not &lt;i&gt;obviously&lt;/i&gt; pornographic or obscene and certainly deserved that the established process be followed.  They can be found on &lt;a href=&quot;http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/fistgate-ix-kevin-jennings-suggested-reading-included-porn-books-for-kids-with-images-of-men-having-sex-while-boy-scouts-watch-media-silent-big-government/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this anti-gay site.&lt;/a&gt;

The artist is Daryl Vocat and I&#039;m not completely sure that the more graphic picture is even in the book.  I&#039;m looking for confirmation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The items which Marinelli objected to so strenuously were the &#8220;child porn&#8221; which seems to have been conceptual rather than literal.</p>
<p>It appears that the book contains two illustrations that seek to artistically draw the reader to compare the &#8220;wholesomeness&#8221; of boy scouts with the reality of gay sexuality.  While they are provocative, they are not <i>obviously</i> pornographic or obscene and certainly deserved that the established process be followed.  They can be found on <a href="http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/fistgate-ix-kevin-jennings-suggested-reading-included-porn-books-for-kids-with-images-of-men-having-sex-while-boy-scouts-watch-media-silent-big-government/" rel="nofollow">this anti-gay site.</a></p>
<p>The artist is Daryl Vocat and I&#8217;m not completely sure that the more graphic picture is even in the book.  I&#8217;m looking for confirmation.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-73938</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh dear, I wonder of SafeLibraries knows about those books...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh dear, I wonder of SafeLibraries knows about those books&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/07/28/24741/comment-page-2#comment-73936</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,

I think they do have a &quot;Young Adult&quot; section.  It even includes &lt;a href=&quot;http://hip.bcls.lib.nj.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=K280GI0681626.3385&amp;profile=hq&amp;uri=link=3100014~!545694~!3100001~!3100002&amp;aspect=basic_search&amp;menu=search&amp;ri=3&amp;source=~!horizon&amp;term=Sanchez%2C+Alex%2C+1957-&amp;index=PAUTHOR&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Alex Sanchez&#039; great Rainbow Boys books.&lt;/a&gt;

It seems they also have a &quot;Parents Shelf&quot; where gay related children&#039;s books like &lt;em&gt;King and King &lt;/em&gt;are kept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,</p>
<p>I think they do have a &#8220;Young Adult&#8221; section.  It even includes <a href="http://hip.bcls.lib.nj.us/ipac20/ipac.jsp?session=K280GI0681626.3385&#038;profile=hq&#038;uri=link=3100014~!545694~!3100001~!3100002&#038;aspect=basic_search&#038;menu=search&#038;ri=3&#038;source=~!horizon&#038;term=Sanchez%2C+Alex%2C+1957-&#038;index=PAUTHOR" rel="nofollow">Alex Sanchez&#8217; great Rainbow Boys books.</a></p>
<p>It seems they also have a &#8220;Parents Shelf&#8221; where gay related children&#8217;s books like <em>King and King </em>are kept.</p>
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