Comments on: NOM in Rochester: “we’ll be treated as bigots”

By: Seething Mom

Seething Mom — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 06:16:09 +0000

As a straight, married (for 28yrs) mother of 3 kids (one of them gay), I consider myself an ardent and passionate supporter of glbt equality. So not only do I find Maggie Gallagher’s fight to keep gay people from being treated with acceptance, respect and equality repugnant and hateful, but I am insulted that she would put herself out there as a defender of my marriage. How dare she and her fellow NOMers insult people like my husband and I with this blatant nonsensical garbage.

Marriage is damn hard, but two people of the same sex wanting to get married is certainly NOT and never has been a threat to my marriage or the marriage of anyone else I know.

My God, these people are horrible. And masking their hateful agenda as a fight to protect heterosexual marriage is about as laughable and transparently ugly as it gets.

There is only one thing motivating these people and it is hatred and homophobia. So yes, yes, yes these people are most definitely hateful bigots and history will not be kind to them. And I hope it happens while they are still around to feel the shame for what they have done.

Thank you for such a thoughtful and hopeful post Timothy. I am going to bed now and I can’t think of a better bedtime post to end my day.

By: cd

cd — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 04:48:50 +0000

but very very few anti-gay activists are purely cynical and disbelieve what they say.

But we don’t have to assume that they are speaking from a place with a full grasp of reality.

By: Matt

Matt — Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:10:46 +0000

Well let’s see, NOM- you consistently lie about us, you consistently degrade and denigrate us. Guess what- THAT MAKES YOU BIGOTS. Sorry to burst the homophobic little bubbles you live in, but freedom of speech does NOT mean freedom from being criticized by those opposed to your ideas and positions. And the notion that you’re somehow victims when you’re the ones advocating your position from a position of privilege reeks of hypocrisy.

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:59:41 +0000

Yes, Burr.

Even the hypocrites – they don’t see their hypocrisy.

Oh, there are a few who are partly in it for the power and the celebrity and the possible financial opportunities (there are those in our own community who are as well) but that doesn’t mean that they don’t believe it.

And there are some like George Rekers who have things hidden in their closet that motivate them, but even Rekers is a believer in the intrinsic immorality of homosexuality.

Even the liars and bigots and hypocrites and frauds really do, to a greater or lesser extent, believe that they are on the holy and righteous side of the debate. Some may have to tell themselves that they are doing right – and I believe that many of them will somewhere down the road change their minds and apologize (especially the ones who are less informed about this issue specifically but are just there as moral support), but very very few anti-gay activists are purely cynical and disbelieve what they say.

Politicians, on the other hand… well…

By: Burr

Burr — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 23:14:01 +0000

Even the blatant hypocrites to their own supposed values?

By: Timothy Kincaid

Timothy Kincaid — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 21:23:43 +0000

Tommy,

They persist because they believe that they must. God wants them to.

I know that we often apply cynicism to our opponents. We assume they do it for the money.

That is seldom the case. Most often they do it because they are true believers.

By: Clay

Clay — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 19:00:08 +0000

George Wallace repented and apologized for his segregationist actions before he died. If you consider where he ended up, rather where he stood for much of his life, you insult him by putting him in same category as NOM.

By: joe

joe — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 16:32:52 +0000

Joe My God posted a piece a few days ago arguing that this tour is nothing more than a campaign to get evidence of malevolence toward NOM. If they can prove that the pro straight-marriage people have a reasonable fear of the gay marriage folk, then they can keep their contributions hidden.

NOM has been tenaciously avoiding posting the donors to their campaign in defiance of a number of state laws, specifically Washington and Maine. The rulings have been, more or less, against them. The supreme court ruling through it to the lower courts. The lower courts may conceal the names if NOM can prove that the donors have a real fear.

Notice how NOM’s language has become more incendiary. They want to provoke us to violence. I hope the blogs make this very clear, so that the NOM strategy fails.

Here’s the link over at JMG:
http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2010/07/real-reason-for-noms-hate-tour.html

By: Stephen

Stephen — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:54:14 +0000

This might be true so long as the Republicans are out of power. If they win either the house or the senate look for any gains we have made to be rolled back. It is in their interest to keep this nonsensical ‘debate’ going as a fundraising and vote-getting tool. It’s all they have and they’re not about to give it up. The same is true for ENDA and DADT.

By: Barry

Barry — Sat, 31 Jul 2010 15:50:57 +0000

When listing Republican leaders, dont forget California State Senator Roy Ashburn, who has a career of 100% anti-gay votes on every issue.

But now? He is out, and sorry: http://www.recorderonline.com/opinion/california-46049-journey-sacramento.html