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	<title>Comments on: LaBarbera Award: Family Research Council</title>
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		<title>By: Lymis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lymis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Aug 2010 20:33:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;decimating marriages that have defined civilization since the beginning of time.&quot;

What, he annulled Adam and Eve&#039;s marriage? The scum.

Exactly whose marriage has been around since the beginning of time? And apparently there were ten of them, because he only took out a tenth of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;decimating marriages that have defined civilization since the beginning of time.&#8221;</p>
<p>What, he annulled Adam and Eve&#8217;s marriage? The scum.</p>
<p>Exactly whose marriage has been around since the beginning of time? And apparently there were ten of them, because he only took out a tenth of them.</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 18:31:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;It would have been so much fairer to have a heterosexual judge rule on same-sex marriage? Why?&lt;/i&gt;

You have to remember that these people are essentially in league with orthodox Catholicism despite the secular façade and Mormon money.

Do you remember the first response from the Vatican when the European part of the clergy sex abuse scandal broke out earlier  this year?  It was some old cardinal who alleged that it proved a conspiracy: the Devil had infiltrated the Church in the form of homosexuality and was using homosexuality to destroy it.  The Vatican quickly downplayed and tried to whitewash and bury that under other statements.

But if you read ortho Catholic websites and follow the inofficial Vatican rhetoric, the theory is finally always there between the lines.  The bottom line belief is that the Providential Order of the World (which exists) is such that Catholic Christianity will ultimately and necessarily prevail.  Homosexuality is an error in that Order that, being exploited by the Devil, undoes the Divine Order and thus fatally undermines the Church.  With a decrepit or collapsed Church the collapse of Civilization and its task (Christianization and Christian salvation of the World) is inevitable.

In short, Vaughn Walker being gay and in a position of authority will in their theory of the universe inevitably be instrument of the Devil.  (Margaret Marshall, who wrote the Goodridge verdict and is afaik heterosexual, was voluntary instrument of the Devil.)

This theory is why homosexuality has to be categorized as a choice to its believers, or somehow has to be suppressible or correctable.  God, being good, cannot have created a fatal flaw that unravels His One True Religion, Traditional Christianity.

In the end the most coherent religious anti-marriage sorts will admit that to them it&#039;s finally all about keeping orthodox/Traditional Christian teleological beliefs and beliefs in a Providential Divine Order from unravelling.  Both of these are however pre-Christian, which is to say Ancient World pagan, doctrines.

Among other things the anti-marriage activists represent a survival of Ancient World paganism(s) into Modern times.  In a sense that&#039;s the whole point of orthodox/Traditional Christianity- these the people who regard their lives meaningful and productive and sane only from an Ancient World &lt;i&gt;Weltanschauung&lt;/i&gt;.

It&#039;s not going to be a good day for them when the molecular geneticists prove that female homosexuality is directly and entirely genetically caused.  And male homosexuality is perhaps mostly and indirectly genetically caused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It would have been so much fairer to have a heterosexual judge rule on same-sex marriage? Why?</i></p>
<p>You have to remember that these people are essentially in league with orthodox Catholicism despite the secular façade and Mormon money.</p>
<p>Do you remember the first response from the Vatican when the European part of the clergy sex abuse scandal broke out earlier  this year?  It was some old cardinal who alleged that it proved a conspiracy: the Devil had infiltrated the Church in the form of homosexuality and was using homosexuality to destroy it.  The Vatican quickly downplayed and tried to whitewash and bury that under other statements.</p>
<p>But if you read ortho Catholic websites and follow the inofficial Vatican rhetoric, the theory is finally always there between the lines.  The bottom line belief is that the Providential Order of the World (which exists) is such that Catholic Christianity will ultimately and necessarily prevail.  Homosexuality is an error in that Order that, being exploited by the Devil, undoes the Divine Order and thus fatally undermines the Church.  With a decrepit or collapsed Church the collapse of Civilization and its task (Christianization and Christian salvation of the World) is inevitable.</p>
<p>In short, Vaughn Walker being gay and in a position of authority will in their theory of the universe inevitably be instrument of the Devil.  (Margaret Marshall, who wrote the Goodridge verdict and is afaik heterosexual, was voluntary instrument of the Devil.)</p>
<p>This theory is why homosexuality has to be categorized as a choice to its believers, or somehow has to be suppressible or correctable.  God, being good, cannot have created a fatal flaw that unravels His One True Religion, Traditional Christianity.</p>
<p>In the end the most coherent religious anti-marriage sorts will admit that to them it&#8217;s finally all about keeping orthodox/Traditional Christian teleological beliefs and beliefs in a Providential Divine Order from unravelling.  Both of these are however pre-Christian, which is to say Ancient World pagan, doctrines.</p>
<p>Among other things the anti-marriage activists represent a survival of Ancient World paganism(s) into Modern times.  In a sense that&#8217;s the whole point of orthodox/Traditional Christianity- these the people who regard their lives meaningful and productive and sane only from an Ancient World <i>Weltanschauung</i>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not going to be a good day for them when the molecular geneticists prove that female homosexuality is directly and entirely genetically caused.  And male homosexuality is perhaps mostly and indirectly genetically caused.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/05/25112/comment-page-1#comment-74863</link>
		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 17:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your summary of Walker&#039;s conspiracy.  It reminds me of an old SNL fake commercial with Phil Hartman and Roseanne Barr.  In separate interviews, they describe the time that he called her call centre, and at one point, Roseanne goes, &quot;yeah if I had that kind of power over space and time, do you think I&#039;d be sitting here on the phone with *you?*&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love your summary of Walker&#8217;s conspiracy.  It reminds me of an old SNL fake commercial with Phil Hartman and Roseanne Barr.  In separate interviews, they describe the time that he called her call centre, and at one point, Roseanne goes, &#8220;yeah if I had that kind of power over space and time, do you think I&#8217;d be sitting here on the phone with *you?*&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: John Doucette</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Doucette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 15:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would have been so much fairer to have a heterosexual judge rule on same-sex marriage? Why?</description>
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		<title>By: MIhangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIhangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 06:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>justsearching
What the Xian nutters are saying is that &quot;Gay people can’t be trusted to be impartial and objective when it comes to anything!&quot;</description>
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What the Xian nutters are saying is that &#8220;Gay people can’t be trusted to be impartial and objective when it comes to anything!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 04:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Instead of aiding their cause, this decision is feeding the unrest across America that our government has become tyrannical.&lt;/i&gt;

Oh no, they&#039;re threatening us with a Republican election victory!

Our cunning plans to institute Straight Reeducation Camps will not be foiled, however.  These will be Bible based, too- Ezekiel 23:20, baby!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Instead of aiding their cause, this decision is feeding the unrest across America that our government has become tyrannical.</i></p>
<p>Oh no, they&#8217;re threatening us with a Republican election victory!</p>
<p>Our cunning plans to institute Straight Reeducation Camps will not be foiled, however.  These will be Bible based, too- Ezekiel 23:20, baby!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aromantic asexual judge, to be precise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aromantic asexual judge, to be precise.</p>
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		<title>By: Burr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 03:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Judge Walker is unfit to judge this case because he is gay and therefore has a stake in it, then a straight judge is unfit for this either as that could be a conflict of interest as well.

The solution is clear. This issue must be decided by an asexual judge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Judge Walker is unfit to judge this case because he is gay and therefore has a stake in it, then a straight judge is unfit for this either as that could be a conflict of interest as well.</p>
<p>The solution is clear. This issue must be decided by an asexual judge.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:47:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I confess, I built a time machine and went back twenty-odd years and did two things- got Judge Walker installed and set Maggie Gallagher up on that fateful date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I confess, I built a time machine and went back twenty-odd years and did two things- got Judge Walker installed and set Maggie Gallagher up on that fateful date.</p>
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		<title>By: justsearching</title>
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		<dc:creator>justsearching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay people can&#039;t be trusted to be impartial and objective when it comes to anything related to gayness. That&#039;s the premise that allows the FRC and the Christian Right to dismiss gay authors, gay Bible commentators, gay politicians, gay judges, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay people can&#8217;t be trusted to be impartial and objective when it comes to anything related to gayness. That&#8217;s the premise that allows the FRC and the Christian Right to dismiss gay authors, gay Bible commentators, gay politicians, gay judges, etc.</p>
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