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		<title>By: Lynn David</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 18:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One might guess that after all the fallout over Uganda and Exodus forced to make more moderate statements on criminalizing gay sex if Exodus not only lost contributions because of the economy, but also because of the forced moderation of views in the organization. Those ultra-conservatives who formerly might have happily aided Exodus may no longer be so inclined.  Might be &lt;a href=&quot;http://forums.ski.com.au/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=607339&amp;page=3&amp;fpart=6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Schmierer&#039;s former smugness about Ahmanson funding Exodus&lt;/a&gt; has gone the way of the dinosaur.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might guess that after all the fallout over Uganda and Exodus forced to make more moderate statements on criminalizing gay sex if Exodus not only lost contributions because of the economy, but also because of the forced moderation of views in the organization. Those ultra-conservatives who formerly might have happily aided Exodus may no longer be so inclined.  Might be <a href="http://forums.ski.com.au/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&amp;Number=607339&amp;page=3&amp;fpart=6" rel="nofollow">Schmierer&#8217;s former smugness about Ahmanson funding Exodus</a> has gone the way of the dinosaur.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 16:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is an &lt;a href=&quot;http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ex-Gay Discussion Board on Yahoo&lt;/a&gt;, and if you look at the bottom of the linked page you will see a &quot;message history&quot; showing the number of posts for each month since 2001. The decline in activity is dramatic. And if you browse through the posts in a given month, you see the same names repeatedly. This decline in activity on one board may not mean much (maybe they just moved their discussion somewhere else) but it&#039;s still gratifying to see. I&#039;m hopeful that it represents a dramatic decline in potential customers for Exodus.

I wonder if Alan and Randy have begun to polish their resumes yet. But really, where would they look for jobs given their specialized &quot;knowledge,&quot; skill-set, and employment history? Actually, their best opportunity might be to admit the truth and go to work for Wayne Besen at TruthWinsOut &quot;Fighting the Anti-Gay Lies and the Ex-Gay Myth.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is an <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/exgaydiscussionboard/" rel="nofollow">Ex-Gay Discussion Board on Yahoo</a>, and if you look at the bottom of the linked page you will see a &#8220;message history&#8221; showing the number of posts for each month since 2001. The decline in activity is dramatic. And if you browse through the posts in a given month, you see the same names repeatedly. This decline in activity on one board may not mean much (maybe they just moved their discussion somewhere else) but it&#8217;s still gratifying to see. I&#8217;m hopeful that it represents a dramatic decline in potential customers for Exodus.</p>
<p>I wonder if Alan and Randy have begun to polish their resumes yet. But really, where would they look for jobs given their specialized &#8220;knowledge,&#8221; skill-set, and employment history? Actually, their best opportunity might be to admit the truth and go to work for Wayne Besen at TruthWinsOut &#8220;Fighting the Anti-Gay Lies and the Ex-Gay Myth.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/23/25665/comment-page-1#comment-76686</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 15:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that its not just a bad economy that has Exodus experiencing a loss in donations.  As more people become accepting of gayness there are fewer people motivated to give and of those that are opposed to gayness more and more of them find that opposition a low priority in their lives.  I think this is the beginning of the end for Exodus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that its not just a bad economy that has Exodus experiencing a loss in donations.  As more people become accepting of gayness there are fewer people motivated to give and of those that are opposed to gayness more and more of them find that opposition a low priority in their lives.  I think this is the beginning of the end for Exodus.</p>
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		<title>By: justsearching</title>
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		<dc:creator>justsearching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christian organizations in dire financial straits ask for prayers and money so that they don&#039;t have to appear to only be asking for money. Other than that, it&#039;s kind of hard to figure out what sort of results they expect from all these prayers. One would think God would already know the best way to apply his vast resources and energies without the advice (nagging, as Richard said) of these mortal, error-prone, limited beings. 

In my own opinion, although I&#039;m no longer religious myself, the Muslim conception of prayer as submission to the will of God and the alignment of one&#039;s own will to God&#039;s is a more sensible understanding of prayer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian organizations in dire financial straits ask for prayers and money so that they don&#8217;t have to appear to only be asking for money. Other than that, it&#8217;s kind of hard to figure out what sort of results they expect from all these prayers. One would think God would already know the best way to apply his vast resources and energies without the advice (nagging, as Richard said) of these mortal, error-prone, limited beings. </p>
<p>In my own opinion, although I&#8217;m no longer religious myself, the Muslim conception of prayer as submission to the will of God and the alignment of one&#8217;s own will to God&#8217;s is a more sensible understanding of prayer.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just find it appalling and distressing that he HAS a staff and that he had a budget of OVER one million dollars!

I thrilled to death that he&#039;s experienced a 12% shortfall in revenue but what&#039;s left is way, WAY too much.

I want him back in his basement, with NO staff and NO budget.  Then we can see how legitimate his &quot;change&quot; is when it&#039;s not surrounding him with glory and paying his bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just find it appalling and distressing that he HAS a staff and that he had a budget of OVER one million dollars!</p>
<p>I thrilled to death that he&#8217;s experienced a 12% shortfall in revenue but what&#8217;s left is way, WAY too much.</p>
<p>I want him back in his basement, with NO staff and NO budget.  Then we can see how legitimate his &#8220;change&#8221; is when it&#8217;s not surrounding him with glory and paying his bills.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am of the belief that God answers every prayer.


It&#039;s just that often the answer is &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;NO!&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am of the belief that God answers every prayer.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that often the answer is <b><i>&#8220;NO!&#8221;</i></b></p>
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		<title>By: anteros</title>
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		<dc:creator>anteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 08:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>chant down babylon! lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>chant down babylon! lol</p>
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		<title>By: Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 05:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[mr. burns]Excellent..[/mr. burns]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[mr. burns]Excellent..[/mr. burns]</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dear friends, &lt;b&gt;please pray for us at Exodus&lt;/b&gt;. We have experienced an unexpectedly low giving season this summer coupled with much higher expenses (insurance, utilities, etc). Sadly, we have had to let several staff go. &lt;b&gt;Your prayers are appreciated&lt;/b&gt;. For those who are also having to endure this unfriendly economy, our prayers are with you!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Why? If God exists, it is obvious that He is not supporting Exodus. Do these people actually expect God to change His mind if mere humans &lt;del&gt;pray&lt;/del&gt; nag some more? After all, this is God we are talking about, not some politician concerned about his poll numbers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dear friends, <b>please pray for us at Exodus</b>. We have experienced an unexpectedly low giving season this summer coupled with much higher expenses (insurance, utilities, etc). Sadly, we have had to let several staff go. <b>Your prayers are appreciated</b>. For those who are also having to endure this unfriendly economy, our prayers are with you!</p></blockquote>
<p>Why? If God exists, it is obvious that He is not supporting Exodus. Do these people actually expect God to change His mind if mere humans <del>pray</del> nag some more? After all, this is God we are talking about, not some politician concerned about his poll numbers.</p>
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