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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:43:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Emily K&lt;/b&gt;: &quot;It is much easier to dismiss a cogent statement of facts with cries of “insult,” “slur,” and “accusations” than to participate in discussion, I’ll give you that.&quot;

Yeah. Cogent statements of facts from you like: &quot;bigot&quot;, &quot;racist&quot;, &quot;ignoramus&quot; - which you very tolerantly and understandingly call 82.5% of the American population, because they disagree with you.

&quot;I just got tired of dealing with you &quot;

You mean you got tired of getting your non-logic refuted? Moreover, how very tolerant of you.

&quot;so I’ve decided to ignore you. &quot;

You have? You&#039;re saying this to me with your back turned to me? 

&quot;and I don’t at all envy you having to live with yourself. &quot;

You really should. Kicking ass is much more fun than getting your ass kicked.

&quot;If you want to learn about Muslims, European history, or anything else, you know how to use a library. Or a search engine.&quot;

LOL! I have forgotten more about history than you know in toto. Methinks the &quot;tolerant, educated and understanding&quot; lady should go out and read a book. Maybe then she would realize that Islam did not build Western civilization. Or that &#039;pederasty&#039; has very little to do with Roman culture. Or that your name comes from a Latin word (Latin being of course the language of the evil Roman Empire). Or that disagreeing with one &quot;Emily K&quot; does not make one a racist, bigot or ignoramus - of course, the alternative to insulting people is staying silent for you, since you have very little in reason or logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Emily K</b>: &#8220;It is much easier to dismiss a cogent statement of facts with cries of “insult,” “slur,” and “accusations” than to participate in discussion, I’ll give you that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah. Cogent statements of facts from you like: &#8220;bigot&#8221;, &#8220;racist&#8221;, &#8220;ignoramus&#8221; &#8211; which you very tolerantly and understandingly call 82.5% of the American population, because they disagree with you.</p>
<p>&#8220;I just got tired of dealing with you &#8221;</p>
<p>You mean you got tired of getting your non-logic refuted? Moreover, how very tolerant of you.</p>
<p>&#8220;so I’ve decided to ignore you. &#8221;</p>
<p>You have? You&#8217;re saying this to me with your back turned to me? </p>
<p>&#8220;and I don’t at all envy you having to live with yourself. &#8221;</p>
<p>You really should. Kicking ass is much more fun than getting your ass kicked.</p>
<p>&#8220;If you want to learn about Muslims, European history, or anything else, you know how to use a library. Or a search engine.&#8221;</p>
<p>LOL! I have forgotten more about history than you know in toto. Methinks the &#8220;tolerant, educated and understanding&#8221; lady should go out and read a book. Maybe then she would realize that Islam did not build Western civilization. Or that &#8216;pederasty&#8217; has very little to do with Roman culture. Or that your name comes from a Latin word (Latin being of course the language of the evil Roman Empire). Or that disagreeing with one &#8220;Emily K&#8221; does not make one a racist, bigot or ignoramus &#8211; of course, the alternative to insulting people is staying silent for you, since you have very little in reason or logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, Brutus, I just got tired of dealing with you so I&#039;ve decided to ignore you. I honestly don&#039;t have anything to prove to you; you&#039;re a tiresome person in many ways, and I don&#039;t at all envy you having to live with yourself. Really you&#039;ll go on ranting and raving about imaginary Muslim enemies surrounding you, threatening your civil rights and freedoms, until the cows come home. You&#039;re already convinced of the &quot;truth,&quot; nothing I&#039;ll say would convince you otherwise and my life is just fine without doing that. Besides, it&#039;s not my job to hold your hand and be your internet tutor. If you want to learn about Muslims, European history, or anything else, you know how to use a library. Or a search engine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, Brutus, I just got tired of dealing with you so I&#8217;ve decided to ignore you. I honestly don&#8217;t have anything to prove to you; you&#8217;re a tiresome person in many ways, and I don&#8217;t at all envy you having to live with yourself. Really you&#8217;ll go on ranting and raving about imaginary Muslim enemies surrounding you, threatening your civil rights and freedoms, until the cows come home. You&#8217;re already convinced of the &#8220;truth,&#8221; nothing I&#8217;ll say would convince you otherwise and my life is just fine without doing that. Besides, it&#8217;s not my job to hold your hand and be your internet tutor. If you want to learn about Muslims, European history, or anything else, you know how to use a library. Or a search engine.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, a passive aggressive dismissal does not equal &quot;addressing logic.&quot; 

I don&#039;t know why you create these separate categories in your brain when it comes to what is an insult, what is logic, who is doing things for &quot;probably offensive&quot; reasons, and which religions have the greatest potential to be allied with the gay community (or America.) 

It is much easier to dismiss a cogent statement of facts with cries of &quot;insult,&quot; &quot;slur,&quot; and &quot;accusations&quot; than to participate in discussion, I&#039;ll give you that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, a passive aggressive dismissal does not equal &#8220;addressing logic.&#8221; </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why you create these separate categories in your brain when it comes to what is an insult, what is logic, who is doing things for &#8220;probably offensive&#8221; reasons, and which religions have the greatest potential to be allied with the gay community (or America.) </p>
<p>It is much easier to dismiss a cogent statement of facts with cries of &#8220;insult,&#8221; &#8220;slur,&#8221; and &#8220;accusations&#8221; than to participate in discussion, I&#8217;ll give you that.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 01:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Emily K:&lt;/b&gt; &quot;Brutus, unlike you, I am not glorifying anyone’s culture. &quot;

You claimed that Islam is responsible for Western civilization, that Europe would be a squalid desert without Islam. On the other hand, you bash Christianity and Greek and Roman culture - the three pillars on which Western civilization is based.

&quot;I’m calling for tolerance, education, and understanding.&quot;

You are? Then start with yourself. How about becoming more tolerant, educated and understanding. Instead of being tolerant, you call anyone who disagrees with you ignorant, racist or bigoted. Maggie Gallagher is probably more tolerant and understanding than you are.

&quot;And since I’m not hearing a *denial*, but rather a stance of “well, i might be bad but THOSE HORRIBLE GUYS ARE WORSE”, I’ll assume that you’re as okay with pederasty as the rest of the Roman society you so revere.&quot;

I&#039;ve explained this before, but let me just say that it&#039;s a testimony to your ignorance you are that the only thing you (think you) know about Roman culture is &quot;pederasty&quot;. That is was a Greek thing, and really rare in Roman is apparently unknown to you. How &quot;tolerant, educated and understanding&quot; you are. 

But for an explanation, maybe you should go back and read the discussion that ensued in the Ground Zero mosque thread, because I&#039;ve already responded to your attack. You know, the one where you started off calling everyone racists, bigots and ignoramuses, and then suddenly disappeared when you needed to come up with actual arguments, instead of insults (your specialty)?

I will further note that you still haven&#039;t thought of a response to my post regarding Muslims. I hope that your tolerant, educated and understanding self will be able to come up with a response before 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Emily K:</b> &#8220;Brutus, unlike you, I am not glorifying anyone’s culture. &#8221;</p>
<p>You claimed that Islam is responsible for Western civilization, that Europe would be a squalid desert without Islam. On the other hand, you bash Christianity and Greek and Roman culture &#8211; the three pillars on which Western civilization is based.</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m calling for tolerance, education, and understanding.&#8221;</p>
<p>You are? Then start with yourself. How about becoming more tolerant, educated and understanding. Instead of being tolerant, you call anyone who disagrees with you ignorant, racist or bigoted. Maggie Gallagher is probably more tolerant and understanding than you are.</p>
<p>&#8220;And since I’m not hearing a *denial*, but rather a stance of “well, i might be bad but THOSE HORRIBLE GUYS ARE WORSE”, I’ll assume that you’re as okay with pederasty as the rest of the Roman society you so revere.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve explained this before, but let me just say that it&#8217;s a testimony to your ignorance you are that the only thing you (think you) know about Roman culture is &#8220;pederasty&#8221;. That is was a Greek thing, and really rare in Roman is apparently unknown to you. How &#8220;tolerant, educated and understanding&#8221; you are. </p>
<p>But for an explanation, maybe you should go back and read the discussion that ensued in the Ground Zero mosque thread, because I&#8217;ve already responded to your attack. You know, the one where you started off calling everyone racists, bigots and ignoramuses, and then suddenly disappeared when you needed to come up with actual arguments, instead of insults (your specialty)?</p>
<p>I will further note that you still haven&#8217;t thought of a response to my post regarding Muslims. I hope that your tolerant, educated and understanding self will be able to come up with a response before 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 00:36:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,

Okay, it was only advice.  If you are compelled to believe whatever stereotypes fit your presumptions, I can&#039;t stop you.  If you choose to hurl slurs and accusations rather than address logic, well that is how your argument will be judged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,</p>
<p>Okay, it was only advice.  If you are compelled to believe whatever stereotypes fit your presumptions, I can&#8217;t stop you.  If you choose to hurl slurs and accusations rather than address logic, well that is how your argument will be judged.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/25/25754/comment-page-1#comment-77238</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Timothy, it was my &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/25/25754#comment-77081&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;original question&lt;/a&gt; that prompted people to mention whether or not they personally knew someone who is Muslim:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Does anybody here even know a Muslim person personally? Does anyone come into contact with one regularly at school, work, etc? Does this person know that you are gay?

Just curious.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And you know full well that people who know someone who is gay - a neighbor, relative, friend, co-worker - is more likely to support equality. I was using this as an analogy, hence the reason I posed my question.

Unless you are saying that this doesn&#039;t matter at all, and the closet is NOT the enemy, so who cares if people stop coming out of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Timothy, it was my <a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/25/25754#comment-77081" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">original question</a> that prompted people to mention whether or not they personally knew someone who is Muslim:</p>
<blockquote><p>Does anybody here even know a Muslim person personally? Does anyone come into contact with one regularly at school, work, etc? Does this person know that you are gay?</p>
<p>Just curious.</p></blockquote>
<p>And you know full well that people who know someone who is gay &#8211; a neighbor, relative, friend, co-worker &#8211; is more likely to support equality. I was using this as an analogy, hence the reason I posed my question.</p>
<p>Unless you are saying that this doesn&#8217;t matter at all, and the closet is NOT the enemy, so who cares if people stop coming out of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 23:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, since your background is completely Anglo-Saxon (UK; Germany) save for a few outliers here and there, you assumed the Park 51 building &quot;was probably purposefully offensive&quot; without stopping to explain it until Jim pressed you on the issue, and did not comment that you knew any Muslim people until NOW, I stand by the things I&#039;ve said, right or &quot;wrong.&quot; 

But you&#039;re right, people like Molotov know gays and are still hateful. Many anti-gay activists, especially in the ex-gay circle, have gay children. They still work against their own loved ones. So it would be fitting that someone who does &quot;know several Muslims&quot; would also be defensive about their &quot;concerned opposition&quot; to Park 51.

And I really do not care at all what hue your skin is or how much &quot;credibility&quot; you might think you get from having someone mistake you for a person of color.

Brutus, unlike you, I am not glorifying anyone&#039;s culture. (Emily is my real name.) I&#039;m calling for tolerance, education, and understanding. 

And since I&#039;m not hearing a *denial*, but rather a stance of &quot;well, i might be bad but THOSE HORRIBLE GUYS ARE WORSE&quot;, I&#039;ll assume that you&#039;re as okay with pederasty as the rest of the Roman society you so revere. Lovely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, since your background is completely Anglo-Saxon (UK; Germany) save for a few outliers here and there, you assumed the Park 51 building &#8220;was probably purposefully offensive&#8221; without stopping to explain it until Jim pressed you on the issue, and did not comment that you knew any Muslim people until NOW, I stand by the things I&#8217;ve said, right or &#8220;wrong.&#8221; </p>
<p>But you&#8217;re right, people like Molotov know gays and are still hateful. Many anti-gay activists, especially in the ex-gay circle, have gay children. They still work against their own loved ones. So it would be fitting that someone who does &#8220;know several Muslims&#8221; would also be defensive about their &#8220;concerned opposition&#8221; to Park 51.</p>
<p>And I really do not care at all what hue your skin is or how much &#8220;credibility&#8221; you might think you get from having someone mistake you for a person of color.</p>
<p>Brutus, unlike you, I am not glorifying anyone&#8217;s culture. (Emily is my real name.) I&#8217;m calling for tolerance, education, and understanding. </p>
<p>And since I&#8217;m not hearing a *denial*, but rather a stance of &#8220;well, i might be bad but THOSE HORRIBLE GUYS ARE WORSE&#8221;, I&#8217;ll assume that you&#8217;re as okay with pederasty as the rest of the Roman society you so revere. Lovely.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/08/25/25754/comment-page-1#comment-77225</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:36:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I suspected that those who did know Muslims personally would not be nearly as bigotted or uninformed. Hence the reason I asked “who knows someone who is Muslim.”

I was correct, those who know them are indeed much better informed and do not paint with broad strokes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You have accused me of being a racist and a bigot.  Yet I know several Muslims.  Your assumptions and broad generalizations - once again - are false.

You are a bright young lady, but you have one major flaw.  You have a bad habit of assuming that all people of good will must agree with you and that anyone who has a position other than that which you hold must be motivated by animus.  

This blinds you and makes some of the things that you say seem irrational.  It tarnishes your credibility.

Remember the time that you informed me that I was a pale skinned, pale haired, blue-eyed Aryan?  Well I thought of you this weekend when someone I was talking to (who happened to be black) said, &quot;Wait... you&#039;re white?&quot;

I&#039;m not saying that you have to abandon your views.  But before you leap to assumptions about others and their experiences or their biases, consider that so far many of your assumptions have turned out to be false.

You&#039;d do much better to offer your ideas than to attack the imagined motivations behind others&#039; ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily,</p>
<blockquote><p>I suspected that those who did know Muslims personally would not be nearly as bigotted or uninformed. Hence the reason I asked “who knows someone who is Muslim.”</p>
<p>I was correct, those who know them are indeed much better informed and do not paint with broad strokes.</p></blockquote>
<p>You have accused me of being a racist and a bigot.  Yet I know several Muslims.  Your assumptions and broad generalizations &#8211; once again &#8211; are false.</p>
<p>You are a bright young lady, but you have one major flaw.  You have a bad habit of assuming that all people of good will must agree with you and that anyone who has a position other than that which you hold must be motivated by animus.  </p>
<p>This blinds you and makes some of the things that you say seem irrational.  It tarnishes your credibility.</p>
<p>Remember the time that you informed me that I was a pale skinned, pale haired, blue-eyed Aryan?  Well I thought of you this weekend when someone I was talking to (who happened to be black) said, &#8220;Wait&#8230; you&#8217;re white?&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that you have to abandon your views.  But before you leap to assumptions about others and their experiences or their biases, consider that so far many of your assumptions have turned out to be false.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d do much better to offer your ideas than to attack the imagined motivations behind others&#8217; ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 21:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily K: &quot;Calm down, Brutus. Find yourself a nice Roman 16 year old boy to “mentor.”&quot;

I think you should calm down, because your anger and hatred is consuming your already limited mind. If my character were as debased as yours, I&#039;d be telling you to get a 9-year old &quot;wife&quot;, because the prophet of the Islam that you so admire did it.

I&#039;m using logic and arguments - something apparently foreign to you. Quite clearly, you have absolutely no response. Your surrender is accepted.

Same thing happened in the discussion about the Ground Zero mosque, when you called opponents every name in the book, simply because they disagreed with you on the location of a mosque - ignorant, bigot, racist. Of course, to the arguments you had no response, just like you don&#039;t right now. Quite common with people who have no substance whatsoever.

This is a new low, even by your very anemic standards. What a sad creature you are. I almost pity you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily K: &#8220;Calm down, Brutus. Find yourself a nice Roman 16 year old boy to “mentor.”&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you should calm down, because your anger and hatred is consuming your already limited mind. If my character were as debased as yours, I&#8217;d be telling you to get a 9-year old &#8220;wife&#8221;, because the prophet of the Islam that you so admire did it.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m using logic and arguments &#8211; something apparently foreign to you. Quite clearly, you have absolutely no response. Your surrender is accepted.</p>
<p>Same thing happened in the discussion about the Ground Zero mosque, when you called opponents every name in the book, simply because they disagreed with you on the location of a mosque &#8211; ignorant, bigot, racist. Of course, to the arguments you had no response, just like you don&#8217;t right now. Quite common with people who have no substance whatsoever.</p>
<p>This is a new low, even by your very anemic standards. What a sad creature you are. I almost pity you.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 20:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Calm down, Brutus. Find yourself a nice Roman 16 year old boy to &quot;mentor.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Calm down, Brutus. Find yourself a nice Roman 16 year old boy to &#8220;mentor.&#8221;</p>
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