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	<title>Comments on: Montana Tea Party Members Back Canned President</title>
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		<title>By: Other Fred in the UK</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/09/25999/comment-page-1#comment-78285</link>
		<dc:creator>Other Fred in the UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:18:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Chris McCoy

I agree that the Tea Party in themselves are not good for gay rights, I see them as a means to the end of breaking the stranglehold on power the Religious Right has within the Republican party. While my enemy&#039;s enemy is not necessarily my friend he may be a useful ally.

Also while it may be possible to deal with illegal immigration, controlling the Federal budget is a never ending battle enough to keep politicians busy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Chris McCoy</p>
<p>I agree that the Tea Party in themselves are not good for gay rights, I see them as a means to the end of breaking the stranglehold on power the Religious Right has within the Republican party. While my enemy&#8217;s enemy is not necessarily my friend he may be a useful ally.</p>
<p>Also while it may be possible to deal with illegal immigration, controlling the Federal budget is a never ending battle enough to keep politicians busy.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/09/25999/comment-page-1#comment-78177</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 14:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy said &quot;However, it is not smart to insist that they are really organized to oppose our community, all fired up to fight gay rights, or even “very interested” in anti-gay issues, when we see over and over and over and over that this is not what is motivating them at all.&quot;.

That may be true now, but if elected they will oppose the LGBT community whenever the opportunity arises.  Its a bad idea for any LGBT person to support the tea party on the assumption that they&#039;re never going to hurt us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy said &#8220;However, it is not smart to insist that they are really organized to oppose our community, all fired up to fight gay rights, or even “very interested” in anti-gay issues, when we see over and over and over and over that this is not what is motivating them at all.&#8221;.</p>
<p>That may be true now, but if elected they will oppose the LGBT community whenever the opportunity arises.  Its a bad idea for any LGBT person to support the tea party on the assumption that they&#8217;re never going to hurt us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 22:55:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris this is a good point, 

&lt;i&gt;I think the more realistic scenario is:
Q: “What are you doing about it?”
A: “Nothing…for now.”&lt;/i&gt;

but I look at it this way, I wish NOM, FRC, PFOX, AFA, CWFA, were all as active in opposing our rights as the Tea Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris this is a good point, </p>
<p><i>I think the more realistic scenario is:<br />
Q: “What are you doing about it?”<br />
A: “Nothing…for now.”</i></p>
<p>but I look at it this way, I wish NOM, FRC, PFOX, AFA, CWFA, were all as active in opposing our rights as the Tea Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/09/25999/comment-page-1#comment-78148</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason D said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;While they may be answering “yes” to anti-gay survey questions, when they get to the “What are you doing about it?” question the answer appears to be “nothing”.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
So, in the long term, if/when Tea Party activist economic objectives are met, what then?

The economy and immigration are current events. I believe that many of these people, once elected, and successfully rush through legislation to achieve these short-term goals, will fall back on the same old long-term bigotry and hate we&#039;ve come to know and dread.

I am not willing to vote for short-term financial objectives, and ignore long-term social consequences.

I think the more realistic scenario is:
Q: “What are you doing about it?” 
A: “Nothing...for now.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason D said:</p>
<blockquote><p>While they may be answering “yes” to anti-gay survey questions, when they get to the “What are you doing about it?” question the answer appears to be “nothing”.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, in the long term, if/when Tea Party activist economic objectives are met, what then?</p>
<p>The economy and immigration are current events. I believe that many of these people, once elected, and successfully rush through legislation to achieve these short-term goals, will fall back on the same old long-term bigotry and hate we&#8217;ve come to know and dread.</p>
<p>I am not willing to vote for short-term financial objectives, and ignore long-term social consequences.</p>
<p>I think the more realistic scenario is:<br />
Q: “What are you doing about it?”<br />
A: “Nothing&#8230;for now.”</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/09/25999/comment-page-1#comment-78146</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 21:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peng, you have to give Timothy some credit here.

While they may be answering &quot;yes&quot; to anti-gay survey questions, when they get to the &quot;What are you doing about it?&quot; question the answer appears to be &quot;nothing&quot;. 

Not true across the board, but it seems they&#039;re content to dislike us on paper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peng, you have to give Timothy some credit here.</p>
<p>While they may be answering &#8220;yes&#8221; to anti-gay survey questions, when they get to the &#8220;What are you doing about it?&#8221; question the answer appears to be &#8220;nothing&#8221;. </p>
<p>Not true across the board, but it seems they&#8217;re content to dislike us on paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/09/25999/comment-page-1#comment-78139</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 19:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>penguinsaur,

You must not be reading me very carefully.  I don&#039;t &quot;defend&quot; the Tea Party movement, I simply want it to be portrayed accurately.

These are not our buddies.  Some of them are ignorant, superstitious, ill-informed, and not very bright.  Few favor gay rights and even fewer favor marriage equality.

However, it is not smart to insist that they are &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; organized to oppose our community, all fired up to fight gay rights, or even &quot;very interested&quot; in anti-gay issues, when we see over and over and over and over that this is not what is motivating them at all.

It&#039;s like insisting that because everyone in the family likes hot-dogs that therefore Thanksgiving is &lt;i&gt;really&lt;/i&gt; a hot-dog eating contest.  It just doesn&#039;t follow.

Surely you agree that it is possible to be anti-gay without meeting for the purpose of engaging in anti-gay activism, don&#039;t you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>penguinsaur,</p>
<p>You must not be reading me very carefully.  I don&#8217;t &#8220;defend&#8221; the Tea Party movement, I simply want it to be portrayed accurately.</p>
<p>These are not our buddies.  Some of them are ignorant, superstitious, ill-informed, and not very bright.  Few favor gay rights and even fewer favor marriage equality.</p>
<p>However, it is not smart to insist that they are <i>really</i> organized to oppose our community, all fired up to fight gay rights, or even &#8220;very interested&#8221; in anti-gay issues, when we see over and over and over and over that this is not what is motivating them at all.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like insisting that because everyone in the family likes hot-dogs that therefore Thanksgiving is <i>really</i> a hot-dog eating contest.  It just doesn&#8217;t follow.</p>
<p>Surely you agree that it is possible to be anti-gay without meeting for the purpose of engaging in anti-gay activism, don&#8217;t you?</p>
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		<title>By: Penguinsaur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Penguinsaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>actually my name just didn&#039;t come up like usual and I couldn&#039;t remember which I used on this site. 

And I&#039;m aware you put that handy disclaimer on your post. Doesn&#039;t change my point that you do constantly defend the tea party. Any time one of them get&#039;s interviewed and is smart enough to keep to their script about taxes and government spending you declare it to be proof that the tea party doesn&#039;t care about gays at all when the polls show over 80% opposing gay marriage.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/14/us/politics/20100414-tea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=6</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>actually my name just didn&#8217;t come up like usual and I couldn&#8217;t remember which I used on this site. </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m aware you put that handy disclaimer on your post. Doesn&#8217;t change my point that you do constantly defend the tea party. Any time one of them get&#8217;s interviewed and is smart enough to keep to their script about taxes and government spending you declare it to be proof that the tea party doesn&#8217;t care about gays at all when the polls show over 80% opposing gay marriage.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/14/us/politics/20100414-tea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=6" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/04/14/us/politics/20100414-tea-party-poll-graphic.html?ref=politics#tab=6</a></p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 18:19:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey penguinsaur (aka Samiimas), did you change your name because you know that your comment is completely loony?  I guess my only response would be:

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am in complete agreement that the Tea Party movement is not comprised of gay allies. But I see this as a reaffirmation that they aren’t interested at this time in fighting Teh Ghey and see it as a distraction from their real goals.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey penguinsaur (aka Samiimas), did you change your name because you know that your comment is completely loony?  I guess my only response would be:</p>
<blockquote><p>I am in complete agreement that the Tea Party movement is not comprised of gay allies. But I see this as a reaffirmation that they aren’t interested at this time in fighting Teh Ghey and see it as a distraction from their real goals.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Samiimas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samiimas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:59:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The teabaggers think it&#039;s &quot;responsible and decent.” to make fun of Mathew Sheppards murder and Timothy is still trying to defend them? Why am I not surprised. Is their any amount of evidence that could get him to stop pushing this &quot;well the tea party really is on our side...&quot; idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The teabaggers think it&#8217;s &#8220;responsible and decent.” to make fun of Mathew Sheppards murder and Timothy is still trying to defend them? Why am I not surprised. Is their any amount of evidence that could get him to stop pushing this &#8220;well the tea party really is on our side&#8230;&#8221; idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Sep 2010 17:31:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeesh. This guy and that Q&#039;ran burning whack job in Gainesville look like they were separated at birth.

  Plug ugly. Both of them. Must suck to be people who, if it weren&#039;t for a few issues guaranteed to piss people off, they don&#039;t have much of a life.

    They need stunts and hyperbole to get anyone to pay attention to them.
Seriously.
How pathetic is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeesh. This guy and that Q&#8217;ran burning whack job in Gainesville look like they were separated at birth.</p>
<p>  Plug ugly. Both of them. Must suck to be people who, if it weren&#8217;t for a few issues guaranteed to piss people off, they don&#8217;t have much of a life.</p>
<p>    They need stunts and hyperbole to get anyone to pay attention to them.<br />
Seriously.<br />
How pathetic is that?</p>
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