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	<title>Comments on: Catholics and Evangelical Hispanics: better no immigration reform than allow gay couples to stay together</title>
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		<title>By: Born in the USA</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78659</link>
		<dc:creator>Born in the USA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 09:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim-  Why did you let some religious moron hijack this thread?  Teh point is that we have to organize politically AGAINST immigration reform if it does not include full equality.  Immigration bills are easy to kill, and the Tea Party would love gay support on this.  

Somebody get the message to the Catholics and Hispanic Evangelicals: This queer is ready to call my Senators and make sure they never vote for reform. I&#039;m ready to ask my family to call their senators too, they&#039;re in the South and they prefer their gay American son to some third-world homophobe coming here and getting on welfare.  And there&#039;s millions of Americans like me, you know actual citizens who actually can vote even tho we&#039;re queer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim-  Why did you let some religious moron hijack this thread?  Teh point is that we have to organize politically AGAINST immigration reform if it does not include full equality.  Immigration bills are easy to kill, and the Tea Party would love gay support on this.  </p>
<p>Somebody get the message to the Catholics and Hispanic Evangelicals: This queer is ready to call my Senators and make sure they never vote for reform. I&#8217;m ready to ask my family to call their senators too, they&#8217;re in the South and they prefer their gay American son to some third-world homophobe coming here and getting on welfare.  And there&#8217;s millions of Americans like me, you know actual citizens who actually can vote even tho we&#8217;re queer.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:09:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And that, folks, is what passes for evangelism by the frothing ranting sanctimonious self-righteous branch of Christianity.

sigh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And that, folks, is what passes for evangelism by the frothing ranting sanctimonious self-righteous branch of Christianity.</p>
<p>sigh</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDMC said &quot;I don’t believe the Federal IRS and States are targeting same sex people or gays or whatever you want to be called?&quot;.

You&#039;re a liar.  Married same sex couples don&#039;t get the same tax breaks that married heterosexual couples do.  You can&#039;t possibly be unaware of this, but telling the truth interferes with your anti-gay BS so you lie about it.

As to the rest of your spittle-flecked rant - yawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDMC said &#8220;I don’t believe the Federal IRS and States are targeting same sex people or gays or whatever you want to be called?&#8221;.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a liar.  Married same sex couples don&#8217;t get the same tax breaks that married heterosexual couples do.  You can&#8217;t possibly be unaware of this, but telling the truth interferes with your anti-gay BS so you lie about it.</p>
<p>As to the rest of your spittle-flecked rant &#8211; yawn.</p>
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		<title>By: SDMC</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78553</link>
		<dc:creator>SDMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:29:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These posts are for Timothy Kincaid. I don&#039;t expect most of you will get it. Your oblivious to this. It&#039;s about the war being waged in the heaven-lies for his soul. 

He not only has a Pentecostal preacher father whom he bashes, he had a gorgeous pentecostal praying mother and has two Pentecostal brother preachers.

Timothy knows who Yeshua, Adonai, El Shaddai, Elohim and Shofet are, he knows who the I am that I am is. He knows the truth, the way and the life. 

Will he share it with you? No, probably not, I suspect he&#039;ll be in the pig pen for a while longer.

There&#039;s a story in the Bible about Timothy, Yeshua told it like this:

“A certain man had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. 13 And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. 14 But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. 15 Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16 And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything.
17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, 19 and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.”’ 
20 “And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ 
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring[a] out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. 23 And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; 24 for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry. 
25 “Now his older son was in the field. And as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and because he has received him safe and sound, your father has killed the fatted calf.’ 
28 “But he was angry and would not go in. Therefore his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 So he answered and said to his father, ‘Lo, these many years I have been serving you; I never transgressed your commandment at any time; and yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might make merry with my friends. 30 But as soon as this son of yours came, who has devoured your livelihood with harlots, you killed the fatted calf for him.’ 
31 “And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. 32 It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’”

Timothy, Adonai has a robe, a ring and a great feast planned for you upon your return. 

Shalom</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These posts are for Timothy Kincaid. I don&#8217;t expect most of you will get it. Your oblivious to this. It&#8217;s about the war being waged in the heaven-lies for his soul. </p>
<p>He not only has a Pentecostal preacher father whom he bashes, he had a gorgeous pentecostal praying mother and has two Pentecostal brother preachers.</p>
<p>Timothy knows who Yeshua, Adonai, El Shaddai, Elohim and Shofet are, he knows who the I am that I am is. He knows the truth, the way and the life. </p>
<p>Will he share it with you? No, probably not, I suspect he&#8217;ll be in the pig pen for a while longer.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a story in the Bible about Timothy, Yeshua told it like this:</p>
<p>“A certain man had two sons. 12 And the younger of them said to his father, ‘Father, give me the portion of goods that falls to me.’ So he divided to them his livelihood. 13 And not many days after, the younger son gathered all together, journeyed to a far country, and there wasted his possessions with prodigal living. 14 But when he had spent all, there arose a severe famine in that land, and he began to be in want. 15 Then he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country, and he sent him into his fields to feed swine. 16 And he would gladly have filled his stomach with the pods that the swine ate, and no one gave him anything.<br />
17 “But when he came to himself, he said, ‘How many of my father’s hired servants have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger! 18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say to him, “Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you, 19 and I am no longer worthy to be called your son. Make me like one of your hired servants.”’<br />
20 “And he arose and came to his father. But when he was still a great way off, his father saw him and had compassion, and ran and fell on his neck and kissed him. 21 And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and in your sight, and am no longer worthy to be called your son.’<br />
22 “But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring[a] out the best robe and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand and sandals on his feet. 23 And bring the fatted calf here and kill it, and let us eat and be merry; 24 for this my son was dead and is alive again; he was lost and is found.’ And they began to be merry.<br />
25 “Now his older son was in the field. And as he came and drew near to the house, he heard music and dancing. 26 So he called one of the servants and asked what these things meant. 27 And he said to him, ‘Your brother has come, and because he has received him safe and sound, your father has killed the fatted calf.’<br />
28 “But he was angry and would not go in. Therefore his father came out and pleaded with him. 29 So he answered and said to his father, ‘Lo, these many years I have been serving you; I never transgressed your commandment at any time; and yet you never gave me a young goat, that I might make merry with my friends. 30 But as soon as this son of yours came, who has devoured your livelihood with harlots, you killed the fatted calf for him.’<br />
31 “And he said to him, ‘Son, you are always with me, and all that I have is yours. 32 It was right that we should make merry and be glad, for your brother was dead and is alive again, and was lost and is found.’”</p>
<p>Timothy, Adonai has a robe, a ring and a great feast planned for you upon your return. </p>
<p>Shalom</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78551</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDMC

Actually, other than one commentary in December 2008 and one comment made to a thread in March 2008, I don&#039;t believe I&#039;ve ever mentioned my father or what his faith consisted of.  Certainly not &quot;many&quot; or &quot;often times.&quot;

So I very much doubt that you are a regular reader of this site.  Rather, I suspect that you are an angry anti-gay activist whom I&#039;ve encountered somewhere else (I have a guess where) who now wishes to come here anonymously to make insults. 

Further evidence is your complete ignorance about the health care insurance issue.  Those who read here know that gay couples are taxed on their employee provided health insurance while heterosexual couples are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDMC</p>
<p>Actually, other than one commentary in December 2008 and one comment made to a thread in March 2008, I don&#8217;t believe I&#8217;ve ever mentioned my father or what his faith consisted of.  Certainly not &#8220;many&#8221; or &#8220;often times.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I very much doubt that you are a regular reader of this site.  Rather, I suspect that you are an angry anti-gay activist whom I&#8217;ve encountered somewhere else (I have a guess where) who now wishes to come here anonymously to make insults. </p>
<p>Further evidence is your complete ignorance about the health care insurance issue.  Those who read here know that gay couples are taxed on their employee provided health insurance while heterosexual couples are not.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78521</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:40:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.  SDMC is stupid.

I&#039;d say more, but the troll doesn&#039;t deserve more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  SDMC is stupid.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say more, but the troll doesn&#8217;t deserve more.</p>
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		<title>By: SDMC</title>
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		<dc:creator>SDMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 04:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gay vs &quot;Gay&quot; vs Homosexual vs whatever?

Jim, how would you like to be referenced? Do you know? 

Concentration camp:

Sorry, just can&#039;t make the connection with some wild imagination and with what did happen. Millions of people taken from their homes, put on trains to concentration camps and gas-ed to death just doesn&#039;t compute to the claims you are making. There are daily injustices happening all over the world to people of all walks of life. 

How common is it to win a civil rights case? Not very? A handful of major victories since 1964. Civil rights are violated everyday and most get by with it. 

Taxes are based on your adjusted gross income, your deductions etc. I don&#039;t believe the Federal IRS and States are targeting same sex people or gays or whatever you want to be called? Jim weight in on this one?? 

My income taxes aren&#039;t based on my sexuality,I pay taxes based on my income and my deductions, it&#039;s an income thing-come up with the deductions or get a job that pays less.  

My health insurance isn&#039;t based on my sexuality. Took out a policy last week-not one question about my sexuality. 

Preacher Timothy, 

I have read many of your articles/sermons and often times you write about or post comments referencing your pentecostal back ground, your pentecostal preacher father and your childhood memories of those years; the speaking in tongues, casting out demons, etc. I simple made a point to tell you what I see coming from you based on your writings. Which isn&#039;t much different from the emotional pentecostal memories you often share with your readers. 

It is obvious, the skills you learned then, you still use today. You write about how you can use Jesus and Christianity to further your cause. How you can get more members and supporters to assist you with the cause. More rallies, more political agenda&#039;s, more moral values, more ethics, more justice, more rights, the best buzz words, more blah, blah.  
 
You sound just like a pentecostal preacher who uses force, emotion and manipulation to build a congregation. &quot;Do what we say or God will strike you dead.&quot; &quot;Go along with our agenda or fire and brim stone will fall on you&quot;.  

Your articles bash politicians and threatening their careers when they don&#039;t share your very thoughts and beliefs. You do the same to minister&#039;s, targeting any domination. 

The message is: How can we force the world to conform to us? How your going to force your desires and opinions on everyone and if they don&#039;t accept it you verbally abuse and slander them. You ostracize them and belittle them. How is your current method any different from the method used in your pentecostal back ground? Do you not seek to control other&#039;s and ostracize and belittle those who resist just like the pentecostal church? Both appear from the same cloth.  

Oh, that word you profess &quot;Christian&quot; what does that really mean? Is your christian message salvation or your sexuality?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gay vs &#8220;Gay&#8221; vs Homosexual vs whatever?</p>
<p>Jim, how would you like to be referenced? Do you know? </p>
<p>Concentration camp:</p>
<p>Sorry, just can&#8217;t make the connection with some wild imagination and with what did happen. Millions of people taken from their homes, put on trains to concentration camps and gas-ed to death just doesn&#8217;t compute to the claims you are making. There are daily injustices happening all over the world to people of all walks of life. </p>
<p>How common is it to win a civil rights case? Not very? A handful of major victories since 1964. Civil rights are violated everyday and most get by with it. </p>
<p>Taxes are based on your adjusted gross income, your deductions etc. I don&#8217;t believe the Federal IRS and States are targeting same sex people or gays or whatever you want to be called? Jim weight in on this one?? </p>
<p>My income taxes aren&#8217;t based on my sexuality,I pay taxes based on my income and my deductions, it&#8217;s an income thing-come up with the deductions or get a job that pays less.  </p>
<p>My health insurance isn&#8217;t based on my sexuality. Took out a policy last week-not one question about my sexuality. </p>
<p>Preacher Timothy, </p>
<p>I have read many of your articles/sermons and often times you write about or post comments referencing your pentecostal back ground, your pentecostal preacher father and your childhood memories of those years; the speaking in tongues, casting out demons, etc. I simple made a point to tell you what I see coming from you based on your writings. Which isn&#8217;t much different from the emotional pentecostal memories you often share with your readers. </p>
<p>It is obvious, the skills you learned then, you still use today. You write about how you can use Jesus and Christianity to further your cause. How you can get more members and supporters to assist you with the cause. More rallies, more political agenda&#8217;s, more moral values, more ethics, more justice, more rights, the best buzz words, more blah, blah.  </p>
<p>You sound just like a pentecostal preacher who uses force, emotion and manipulation to build a congregation. &#8220;Do what we say or God will strike you dead.&#8221; &#8220;Go along with our agenda or fire and brim stone will fall on you&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Your articles bash politicians and threatening their careers when they don&#8217;t share your very thoughts and beliefs. You do the same to minister&#8217;s, targeting any domination. </p>
<p>The message is: How can we force the world to conform to us? How your going to force your desires and opinions on everyone and if they don&#8217;t accept it you verbally abuse and slander them. You ostracize them and belittle them. How is your current method any different from the method used in your pentecostal back ground? Do you not seek to control other&#8217;s and ostracize and belittle those who resist just like the pentecostal church? Both appear from the same cloth.  </p>
<p>Oh, that word you profess &#8220;Christian&#8221; what does that really mean? Is your christian message salvation or your sexuality?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78490</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 19:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Me thinks SMDC projects too much.</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/14/26119/comment-page-1#comment-78484</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Higher taxes? Uhm excuse me, but turbo tax doesn’t ask for your sexual desires when figuring your taxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Many same-sex couples who are legally married in the eight states in which same sex marriage is recognized pay higher federal income tax than their heterosexual counterparts.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The statements here are full of drama and emotional sensationalism.

Timothy, this is nothing more than the emotional drama you witnessed as a boy sitting on a church pew! I can tell you are the son of a preacher, you jump, leap,roll on the ground and shake your fist trying to force your wants and views on other’s all the while demanding that the world bow to you.

Wow, the very controling spirit you hated is the very spirit that lives on in you! Take a personal inventory check young man.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Well &lt;i&gt;someone&lt;/i&gt; is engaging in emotional drama, but it isn&#039;t me.  I&#039;m not much into jumping, rolling on the ground, or demanding that the world bow to me.  I&#039;ll leave that to you.

I&#039;m more into demanding that Constitutional protections of &quot;all&quot; and &quot;any person&quot; be correctly applied to include gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Higher taxes? Uhm excuse me, but turbo tax doesn’t ask for your sexual desires when figuring your taxes.</p></blockquote>
<p>Many same-sex couples who are legally married in the eight states in which same sex marriage is recognized pay higher federal income tax than their heterosexual counterparts.</p>
<blockquote><p>The statements here are full of drama and emotional sensationalism.</p>
<p>Timothy, this is nothing more than the emotional drama you witnessed as a boy sitting on a church pew! I can tell you are the son of a preacher, you jump, leap,roll on the ground and shake your fist trying to force your wants and views on other’s all the while demanding that the world bow to you.</p>
<p>Wow, the very controling spirit you hated is the very spirit that lives on in you! Take a personal inventory check young man.</p></blockquote>
<p>Well <i>someone</i> is engaging in emotional drama, but it isn&#8217;t me.  I&#8217;m not much into jumping, rolling on the ground, or demanding that the world bow to me.  I&#8217;ll leave that to you.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m more into demanding that Constitutional protections of &#8220;all&#8221; and &#8220;any person&#8221; be correctly applied to include gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2010 17:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SDMC, the OVERWHELMING majority of Jews don&#039;t share your opinion that gay people demean Jews by pointing out our persecution.  You clearly aren&#039;t Jewish so what gives you impression that you speak for the majority of Jewish people who clearly disagree with you?

The only people who ever come out with this bullshit are non-Jewish anti-gay fundamentalist Christians.  Your opinion of gay people more resembles that of the Nazis than it does of the persecuted Jews.  You might want to think about that and figure out why that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SDMC, the OVERWHELMING majority of Jews don&#8217;t share your opinion that gay people demean Jews by pointing out our persecution.  You clearly aren&#8217;t Jewish so what gives you impression that you speak for the majority of Jewish people who clearly disagree with you?</p>
<p>The only people who ever come out with this bullshit are non-Jewish anti-gay fundamentalist Christians.  Your opinion of gay people more resembles that of the Nazis than it does of the persecuted Jews.  You might want to think about that and figure out why that is.</p>
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