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	<title>Comments on: New Times profiles Matt Salmon, the gay one</title>
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		<title>By: MIhangel apYrs</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/15/26166/comment-page-1#comment-78651</link>
		<dc:creator>MIhangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:19:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should have been
&quot;I neither see the need for, nor expect...</description>
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&#8220;I neither see the need for, nor expect&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: MIhangel apYrs</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/15/26166/comment-page-1#comment-78650</link>
		<dc:creator>MIhangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2010 06:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Burroway,
Timothy  wrote:
&quot;These boys have a rare opportunity – a duty, even – to present to a rather closed community an image of what gay people really are like. Decent, loving, committed gay people no different from their siblings.&quot;

The operative words &quot;a duty&quot;.  That suggests that Timothy thinks these two young men have an obligation to put up with shit to educate their families on behalf of the rest of us.

I neither see, nor expect, such sacrifice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Burroway,<br />
Timothy  wrote:<br />
&#8220;These boys have a rare opportunity – a duty, even – to present to a rather closed community an image of what gay people really are like. Decent, loving, committed gay people no different from their siblings.&#8221;</p>
<p>The operative words &#8220;a duty&#8221;.  That suggests that Timothy thinks these two young men have an obligation to put up with shit to educate their families on behalf of the rest of us.</p>
<p>I neither see, nor expect, such sacrifice</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/15/26166/comment-page-1#comment-78615</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Timothy K
you seem willing to sacrifice these boys’ future together to try and educate the straights. Be certain: the strain of their families’ homophobia could tear them apart; why risk that to make a point?

You wait for THEM to crawl back, you don’t accommodate their prejudices in case you alienate the very persin you want them to welcome: life is a one-off deal, few second chances&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Really? Timothy is not deciding what Kent and Matt ought to do, it&#039;s Kent and Matt doing it. Timothy&#039;s just defending their decision. 

In fact, we all have had to decide how to deal with our families. And as each of us know our own family members better than anyone on an internet discussion list, and each of us know better our own capacity to deal with adversity from different family members, we all make decisions, adjustments, accomodations, and/or cut off contact accordingly. These are deeply personal decisions that we all make, revisit, and make again, often continually. No one has the right to second guess them. One size doesn&#039;t fit all.

Best wishes to Matt and Kent. I&#039;m glad they decided to make their stories public.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Timothy K<br />
you seem willing to sacrifice these boys’ future together to try and educate the straights. Be certain: the strain of their families’ homophobia could tear them apart; why risk that to make a point?</p>
<p>You wait for THEM to crawl back, you don’t accommodate their prejudices in case you alienate the very persin you want them to welcome: life is a one-off deal, few second chances</p></blockquote>
<p>Really? Timothy is not deciding what Kent and Matt ought to do, it&#8217;s Kent and Matt doing it. Timothy&#8217;s just defending their decision. </p>
<p>In fact, we all have had to decide how to deal with our families. And as each of us know our own family members better than anyone on an internet discussion list, and each of us know better our own capacity to deal with adversity from different family members, we all make decisions, adjustments, accomodations, and/or cut off contact accordingly. These are deeply personal decisions that we all make, revisit, and make again, often continually. No one has the right to second guess them. One size doesn&#8217;t fit all.</p>
<p>Best wishes to Matt and Kent. I&#8217;m glad they decided to make their stories public.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 22:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, whatev.

   If they are up for adoption, they could do worse than this tall, broad shouldered big mouthed black woman.


  Richard Rush, I think it&#039;s all three brother. The way I&#039;m seeing the anti gay work, they cover ALL the bases of ways to hurt, dehumanize, demoralize, humiliate confound and cynically in any and every way they can.

  Then stand back and point a finger if you dare to, you know, show that hurt, dehumanization, demoralization, humiliation, and so on.

    People like this are the biggest cowards I&#039;ve ever seen. No spine at all.
Not even CURIOUS that they might not know all that there is. And the opportunity to really know is right there in front of them.

   I wish this young couple luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, whatev.</p>
<p>   If they are up for adoption, they could do worse than this tall, broad shouldered big mouthed black woman.</p>
<p>  Richard Rush, I think it&#8217;s all three brother. The way I&#8217;m seeing the anti gay work, they cover ALL the bases of ways to hurt, dehumanize, demoralize, humiliate confound and cynically in any and every way they can.</p>
<p>  Then stand back and point a finger if you dare to, you know, show that hurt, dehumanization, demoralization, humiliation, and so on.</p>
<p>    People like this are the biggest cowards I&#8217;ve ever seen. No spine at all.<br />
Not even CURIOUS that they might not know all that there is. And the opportunity to really know is right there in front of them.</p>
<p>   I wish this young couple luck.</p>
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		<title>By: DN</title>
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		<dc:creator>DN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article reads like my ex-boyfriend&#039;s life in a lot of ways.  He was raised Jehovah&#039;s Witness, and a few months into our relationship, his sister got married.  He was allowed to attend a the ceremony, but only one part of it, and in the back of the Hall, *and* was not invited to the reception at all.  It took place a couple hours out of town and the drive there and back felt more like a funeral than a wedding.

And despite the damage his family did to him, my ex still loves them and is still waiting for them to come back to him.  Today, as ten years ago, I am not that strong a person.  I was lucky to have never faced any antagonism from my immediate family, but there are aunts and uncles that I have chopped right out of my life and I don&#039;t give a fat, flying eff if they ever come around.  These guys are a model for how to behave when your family shuns you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article reads like my ex-boyfriend&#8217;s life in a lot of ways.  He was raised Jehovah&#8217;s Witness, and a few months into our relationship, his sister got married.  He was allowed to attend a the ceremony, but only one part of it, and in the back of the Hall, *and* was not invited to the reception at all.  It took place a couple hours out of town and the drive there and back felt more like a funeral than a wedding.</p>
<p>And despite the damage his family did to him, my ex still loves them and is still waiting for them to come back to him.  Today, as ten years ago, I am not that strong a person.  I was lucky to have never faced any antagonism from my immediate family, but there are aunts and uncles that I have chopped right out of my life and I don&#8217;t give a fat, flying eff if they ever come around.  These guys are a model for how to behave when your family shuns you.</p>
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		<title>By: Other Fred in the UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Other Fred in the UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 19:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To those who suggest that Salmon and Flake cut themselves off from their families, I would simply remind you that blood is thicker than water.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To those who suggest that Salmon and Flake cut themselves off from their families, I would simply remind you that blood is thicker than water.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd,

I commend you for your hard work.  Even if your family fails you, remember you have nephews and nieces and your example will go a long way to refuting whatever it is that their parents are telling them.

Of course only you can decide how much is too much, but for now, thank you for making my future a more tolerant place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd,</p>
<p>I commend you for your hard work.  Even if your family fails you, remember you have nephews and nieces and your example will go a long way to refuting whatever it is that their parents are telling them.</p>
<p>Of course only you can decide how much is too much, but for now, thank you for making my future a more tolerant place.</p>
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		<title>By: CLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>CLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 18:05:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some clarity in this piece would help. Flake is the cousin of Congressman Jeff Flake. Since how he is related is not mentioned it is easily assumed, as I originally did, that he is the son of the congressman. It took reading the original to make his relationship clear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some clarity in this piece would help. Flake is the cousin of Congressman Jeff Flake. Since how he is related is not mentioned it is easily assumed, as I originally did, that he is the son of the congressman. It took reading the original to make his relationship clear.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy K
you seem willing to sacrifice these boys&#039; future together to try and educate the straights.  Be certain: the strain of their families&#039; homophobia could tear them apart; why risk that to make a point?

You wait for THEM to crawl back, you don&#039;t accommodate their prejudices in case you alienate the very persin you want them to welcome: life is a one-off deal, few second chances</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy K<br />
you seem willing to sacrifice these boys&#8217; future together to try and educate the straights.  Be certain: the strain of their families&#8217; homophobia could tear them apart; why risk that to make a point?</p>
<p>You wait for THEM to crawl back, you don&#8217;t accommodate their prejudices in case you alienate the very persin you want them to welcome: life is a one-off deal, few second chances</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2010 17:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Todd said, &lt;i&gt;&quot;It is hard to go to family functions, and one of my brothers said much the same thing about &lt;b&gt;not wanting me around his kids&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Every time I hear about this kind of reaction (&quot;don&#039;t get near my kids&quot;), I wonder if the speaker is really so ignorant that they believe their kids will catch the gay the same way they may catch a cold, and/or if they think that a gay person is much more likely to molest their kids than a straight person. OR, is it just said as a way of hurting the gay person?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Todd said, <i>&#8220;It is hard to go to family functions, and one of my brothers said much the same thing about <b>not wanting me around his kids</b>.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Every time I hear about this kind of reaction (&#8220;don&#8217;t get near my kids&#8221;), I wonder if the speaker is really so ignorant that they believe their kids will catch the gay the same way they may catch a cold, and/or if they think that a gay person is much more likely to molest their kids than a straight person. OR, is it just said as a way of hurting the gay person?</p>
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