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		<title>By: customartist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79095</link>
		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Chris!

Unfortunately Obama will be steadily following the polls on this issue until say midday on Thursday, before making his determination.

If he proceeds, he will be criticized by some for being two-faced.  If he does not proceed, he will be criticized for not defending current law (DADT).

Where he, and the Justice department, have made their mistakes is in not originally seeing that the Constitution is the higher law, and should have trumped DADT from the get-go.  Even so, coming now to this conclusion would at least right a wrong.

I have always been the kind of person that if on the wrong track, I wanted to recognize this, and get on the right track.  Continuing to dig a hole is not intelligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Chris!</p>
<p>Unfortunately Obama will be steadily following the polls on this issue until say midday on Thursday, before making his determination.</p>
<p>If he proceeds, he will be criticized by some for being two-faced.  If he does not proceed, he will be criticized for not defending current law (DADT).</p>
<p>Where he, and the Justice department, have made their mistakes is in not originally seeing that the Constitution is the higher law, and should have trumped DADT from the get-go.  Even so, coming now to this conclusion would at least right a wrong.</p>
<p>I have always been the kind of person that if on the wrong track, I wanted to recognize this, and get on the right track.  Continuing to dig a hole is not intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79020</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Pryor and Lincoln don&#039;t have that excuse, especially Lincoln who&#039;s going to lose her damn race anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Pryor and Lincoln don&#8217;t have that excuse, especially Lincoln who&#8217;s going to lose her damn race anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79015</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rob. Perhaps it was necessary but it&#039;s hard to take to see his name listed there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rob. Perhaps it was necessary but it&#8217;s hard to take to see his name listed there.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79010</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 21:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Ray

Reid voted with the Republicans so he could bring the repeal measure up again. It was a parliamentary maneuver.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ray</p>
<p>Reid voted with the Republicans so he could bring the repeal measure up again. It was a parliamentary maneuver.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79009</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem. Seeing Senator Reid&#039;s name among those who voted with the Republicans seems correct.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem. Seeing Senator Reid&#8217;s name among those who voted with the Republicans seems correct.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79008</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&amp;session=2&amp;vote=00238&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Roll Call&lt;/a&gt;

YEAs --- 56
Akaka (D-HI)
Baucus (D-MT)
Bayh (D-IN)
Begich (D-AK)
Bennet (D-CO)
Bingaman (D-NM)
Boxer (D-CA)
Brown (D-OH)
Burris (D-IL)
Cantwell (D-WA)
Cardin (D-MD)
Carper (D-DE)
Casey (D-PA)
Conrad (D-ND)
Dodd (D-CT)
Dorgan (D-ND)
Durbin (D-IL)
Feingold (D-WI)
Feinstein (D-CA)
Franken (D-MN)
Gillibrand (D-NY)
Goodwin (D-WV)
Hagan (D-NC)
Harkin (D-IA)
Inouye (D-HI)
Johnson (D-SD)
Kaufman (D-DE)
Kerry (D-MA)
Klobuchar (D-MN)
Kohl (D-WI)
Landrieu (D-LA)
Lautenberg (D-NJ)
Leahy (D-VT)
Levin (D-MI)
Lieberman (ID-CT)
McCaskill (D-MO)
Menendez (D-NJ)
Merkley (D-OR)
Mikulski (D-MD)
Murray (D-WA)
Nelson (D-FL)
Nelson (D-NE)
Reed (D-RI)
Rockefeller (D-WV)
Sanders (I-VT)
Schumer (D-NY)
Shaheen (D-NH)
Specter (D-PA)
Stabenow (D-MI)
Tester (D-MT)
Udall (D-CO)
Udall (D-NM)
Warner (D-VA)
Webb (D-VA)
Whitehouse (D-RI)
Wyden (D-OR)

NAYs --- 43
Alexander (R-TN)
Barrasso (R-WY)
Bennett (R-UT)
Bond (R-MO)
Brown (R-MA)
Brownback (R-KS)
Bunning (R-KY)
Burr (R-NC)
Chambliss (R-GA)
Coburn (R-OK)
Cochran (R-MS)
Collins (R-ME)
Corker (R-TN)
Cornyn (R-TX)
Crapo (R-ID)
DeMint (R-SC)
Ensign (R-NV)
Enzi (R-WY)
Graham (R-SC)
Grassley (R-IA)
Gregg (R-NH)
Hatch (R-UT)
Hutchison (R-TX)
Inhofe (R-OK)
Isakson (R-GA)
Johanns (R-NE)
Kyl (R-AZ)
LeMieux (R-FL)
Lincoln (D-AR)
Lugar (R-IN)
McCain (R-AZ)
McConnell (R-KY)
Pryor (D-AR)
Reid (D-NV)
Risch (R-ID)
Roberts (R-KS)
Sessions (R-AL)
Shelby (R-AL)
Snowe (R-ME)
Thune (R-SD)
Vitter (R-LA)
Voinovich (R-OH)
Wicker (R-MS)

Not Voting --- 1
Murkowski (R-AK)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=111&amp;session=2&amp;vote=00238" rel="nofollow">Roll Call</a></p>
<p>YEAs &#8212; 56<br />
Akaka (D-HI)<br />
Baucus (D-MT)<br />
Bayh (D-IN)<br />
Begich (D-AK)<br />
Bennet (D-CO)<br />
Bingaman (D-NM)<br />
Boxer (D-CA)<br />
Brown (D-OH)<br />
Burris (D-IL)<br />
Cantwell (D-WA)<br />
Cardin (D-MD)<br />
Carper (D-DE)<br />
Casey (D-PA)<br />
Conrad (D-ND)<br />
Dodd (D-CT)<br />
Dorgan (D-ND)<br />
Durbin (D-IL)<br />
Feingold (D-WI)<br />
Feinstein (D-CA)<br />
Franken (D-MN)<br />
Gillibrand (D-NY)<br />
Goodwin (D-WV)<br />
Hagan (D-NC)<br />
Harkin (D-IA)<br />
Inouye (D-HI)<br />
Johnson (D-SD)<br />
Kaufman (D-DE)<br />
Kerry (D-MA)<br />
Klobuchar (D-MN)<br />
Kohl (D-WI)<br />
Landrieu (D-LA)<br />
Lautenberg (D-NJ)<br />
Leahy (D-VT)<br />
Levin (D-MI)<br />
Lieberman (ID-CT)<br />
McCaskill (D-MO)<br />
Menendez (D-NJ)<br />
Merkley (D-OR)<br />
Mikulski (D-MD)<br />
Murray (D-WA)<br />
Nelson (D-FL)<br />
Nelson (D-NE)<br />
Reed (D-RI)<br />
Rockefeller (D-WV)<br />
Sanders (I-VT)<br />
Schumer (D-NY)<br />
Shaheen (D-NH)<br />
Specter (D-PA)<br />
Stabenow (D-MI)<br />
Tester (D-MT)<br />
Udall (D-CO)<br />
Udall (D-NM)<br />
Warner (D-VA)<br />
Webb (D-VA)<br />
Whitehouse (D-RI)<br />
Wyden (D-OR)</p>
<p>NAYs &#8212; 43<br />
Alexander (R-TN)<br />
Barrasso (R-WY)<br />
Bennett (R-UT)<br />
Bond (R-MO)<br />
Brown (R-MA)<br />
Brownback (R-KS)<br />
Bunning (R-KY)<br />
Burr (R-NC)<br />
Chambliss (R-GA)<br />
Coburn (R-OK)<br />
Cochran (R-MS)<br />
Collins (R-ME)<br />
Corker (R-TN)<br />
Cornyn (R-TX)<br />
Crapo (R-ID)<br />
DeMint (R-SC)<br />
Ensign (R-NV)<br />
Enzi (R-WY)<br />
Graham (R-SC)<br />
Grassley (R-IA)<br />
Gregg (R-NH)<br />
Hatch (R-UT)<br />
Hutchison (R-TX)<br />
Inhofe (R-OK)<br />
Isakson (R-GA)<br />
Johanns (R-NE)<br />
Kyl (R-AZ)<br />
LeMieux (R-FL)<br />
Lincoln (D-AR)<br />
Lugar (R-IN)<br />
McCain (R-AZ)<br />
McConnell (R-KY)<br />
Pryor (D-AR)<br />
Reid (D-NV)<br />
Risch (R-ID)<br />
Roberts (R-KS)<br />
Sessions (R-AL)<br />
Shelby (R-AL)<br />
Snowe (R-ME)<br />
Thune (R-SD)<br />
Vitter (R-LA)<br />
Voinovich (R-OH)<br />
Wicker (R-MS)</p>
<p>Not Voting &#8212; 1<br />
Murkowski (R-AK)</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79007</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe.My.God reported that a comment on his site, that appears to originate from the office of Senator Saxby Chambliss, says, &quot;All fa**ots must die.&quot;

I saw the comment on his site. A staffer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe.My.God reported that a comment on his site, that appears to originate from the office of Senator Saxby Chambliss, says, &#8220;All fa**ots must die.&#8221;</p>
<p>I saw the comment on his site. A staffer?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79006</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark,

That is up to the judge.  But if the Justice Department did not oppose the injunction, I think it would be very likely.  Further, a decision not to fight injunction would indicate a decision not to appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark,</p>
<p>That is up to the judge.  But if the Justice Department did not oppose the injunction, I think it would be very likely.  Further, a decision not to fight injunction would indicate a decision not to appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79005</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:18:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Senator McCain was one of the original sponsors of the DREAM Act, what was so controversial?  Rachael Maddow reported McCain once sponsored that initiative on her program last night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Senator McCain was one of the original sponsors of the DREAM Act, what was so controversial?  Rachael Maddow reported McCain once sponsored that initiative on her program last night.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/21/26422/comment-page-1#comment-79004</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Sep 2010 20:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy:

Do they really get a default injunction if the government does not oppose their motion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy:</p>
<p>Do they really get a default injunction if the government does not oppose their motion?</p>
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