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	<title>Comments on: Anti-Gay Megachurch Pastor Accused Of Pressuring Men Into Sex</title>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 18:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention...King James was apparently bi. I&#039;ve never quite been able to figure out how that doesn&#039;t ruin the authoritative-ness of his personal translation in the eyes of the people who idolize it.

They&#039;re usually the ones who hate GLBT people otherwise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention&#8230;King James was apparently bi. I&#8217;ve never quite been able to figure out how that doesn&#8217;t ruin the authoritative-ness of his personal translation in the eyes of the people who idolize it.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re usually the ones who hate GLBT people otherwise.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/22/26476/comment-page-1#comment-79120</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which original version of the Bible is that? The King James?

I still cringe at the thought that actual people think the King James is the best or even original version. You know, the &quot;If the King James was good enough for Jesus and Paul it was good enough for me!&quot; crowd.

How can that be that people think that? It says right in the front of any copy of the KJV I&#039;ve ever seen, when it was compiled, and that was a LONG time after Jesus or Paul!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which original version of the Bible is that? The King James?</p>
<p>I still cringe at the thought that actual people think the King James is the best or even original version. You know, the &#8220;If the King James was good enough for Jesus and Paul it was good enough for me!&#8221; crowd.</p>
<p>How can that be that people think that? It says right in the front of any copy of the KJV I&#8217;ve ever seen, when it was compiled, and that was a LONG time after Jesus or Paul!</p>
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		<title>By: KZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:29:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haven&#039;t you guys ever read the original version of the Bible?  A lot of these rules have exceptions.

 Leviticus 20:13

&quot;If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. There blood shall be upon them*.&quot;


*this does not applieth to vehemently anti-gay pastors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haven&#8217;t you guys ever read the original version of the Bible?  A lot of these rules have exceptions.</p>
<p> Leviticus 20:13</p>
<p>&#8220;If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death. There blood shall be upon them*.&#8221;</p>
<p>*this does not applieth to vehemently anti-gay pastors.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to express my hope for Blacks in the church to come out of the closet. Let your neighbors see you. Let them see you sitting next to them in the pews. Let them hear your voice in the choir. You are a powerful force, and if you believe Black is Beautiful, then I hope you&#039;ll also believe that being gay has no bearing on that beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to express my hope for Blacks in the church to come out of the closet. Let your neighbors see you. Let them see you sitting next to them in the pews. Let them hear your voice in the choir. You are a powerful force, and if you believe Black is Beautiful, then I hope you&#8217;ll also believe that being gay has no bearing on that beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:25:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ted Haggard in blackface.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

burn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ted Haggard in blackface.</p></blockquote>
<p>burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 17:12:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I surprised?  No.

But sadly, I suspect his congregation will choose to look the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I surprised?  No.</p>
<p>But sadly, I suspect his congregation will choose to look the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/22/26476/comment-page-1#comment-79111</link>
		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 16:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not help but notice that in the photo used for the article about this on CNN, he had a pink hankerchief in the pocket of his expensive suit. Well chosen for the article, yes, but obviously the picture was taken sometime.

Seems kind of creepy, really. But then I remember watching Jesus Camp and how creepy Ted Haggard was in that.

Seems like a lot of those guys usually just are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not help but notice that in the photo used for the article about this on CNN, he had a pink hankerchief in the pocket of his expensive suit. Well chosen for the article, yes, but obviously the picture was taken sometime.</p>
<p>Seems kind of creepy, really. But then I remember watching Jesus Camp and how creepy Ted Haggard was in that.</p>
<p>Seems like a lot of those guys usually just are.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ted Haggard in blackface.
What an impersonation and a stereotype of the flashy, gaudy snake oil salesman. 
Long drives a car worth more than his congregation can make in their lifetimes.

  It&#039;s easy for him to make TOKEN gestures of charitable organizing, and pocket the lion&#039;s share of contributions for himself with no shame at all.
But rather, &#039;I&#039;m entitled because I did all this for y&#039;all&#039;.

  When Long said even if the Klan was against gay marriage, he could side with the Klan, made me throw up. This coming from a man who officiated at the funeral of one of our most powerful allies, Coretta S. King.

  And now this. No, I&#039;m not surprised. TD Jakes and his gay son are another example of the damage done by the closet. Especially to the credibility of gay people who reach positions of wealth and power to further the agendas of the anti gay. These highly popular and influential black spiritual leaders, are just as increasingly showing their hypocrisy and contradictions in morality.

  Rather than have a discussion on the closet, and how it compromises honesty and the ability for people to learn from each other, the arrogance of straight people like this who belong to these churches, will place all the blame, shame and lack of integrity on the gay person.
  An obviously unfair indictment. And coming FROM black people who so quickly forget the chains of passing for what one is not to avoid and escape injustice and systemic bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted Haggard in blackface.<br />
What an impersonation and a stereotype of the flashy, gaudy snake oil salesman.<br />
Long drives a car worth more than his congregation can make in their lifetimes.</p>
<p>  It&#8217;s easy for him to make TOKEN gestures of charitable organizing, and pocket the lion&#8217;s share of contributions for himself with no shame at all.<br />
But rather, &#8216;I&#8217;m entitled because I did all this for y&#8217;all&#8217;.</p>
<p>  When Long said even if the Klan was against gay marriage, he could side with the Klan, made me throw up. This coming from a man who officiated at the funeral of one of our most powerful allies, Coretta S. King.</p>
<p>  And now this. No, I&#8217;m not surprised. TD Jakes and his gay son are another example of the damage done by the closet. Especially to the credibility of gay people who reach positions of wealth and power to further the agendas of the anti gay. These highly popular and influential black spiritual leaders, are just as increasingly showing their hypocrisy and contradictions in morality.</p>
<p>  Rather than have a discussion on the closet, and how it compromises honesty and the ability for people to learn from each other, the arrogance of straight people like this who belong to these churches, will place all the blame, shame and lack of integrity on the gay person.<br />
  An obviously unfair indictment. And coming FROM black people who so quickly forget the chains of passing for what one is not to avoid and escape injustice and systemic bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: elaygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>elaygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These &quot;religious leaders&quot; seem to run anti-gay ministries so they have easy access to men they can abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These &#8220;religious leaders&#8221; seem to run anti-gay ministries so they have easy access to men they can abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: darren</title>
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		<dc:creator>darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>not AT ALL surprised!  i remember the first time i saw eddie long live (back in college), and i KNEW this was just another closeted gay preacher who seemed to be a BIT too focused on gay issues ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>not AT ALL surprised!  i remember the first time i saw eddie long live (back in college), and i KNEW this was just another closeted gay preacher who seemed to be a BIT too focused on gay issues ;)</p>
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