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	<title>Comments on: Obama Administration defends DADT policy; opposes injunction</title>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 13:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t the end of things.  we&#039;re still in the news regularly. 

Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t the end of things.  we&#8217;re still in the news regularly. </p>
<p>Gay, gay, gay, gay, gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob San Diego</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob San Diego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 21:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so sick and tired of voting into office these spineless P&#039;thak&#039;s (klingon curse word) into office just so they can keep me in the closet without equal protection. I&#039;m a Californian and even though I&#039;m liberal, I&#039;m glad to see our Governator not appeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so sick and tired of voting into office these spineless P&#8217;thak&#8217;s (klingon curse word) into office just so they can keep me in the closet without equal protection. I&#8217;m a Californian and even though I&#8217;m liberal, I&#8217;m glad to see our Governator not appeal.</p>
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		<title>By: AlexH</title>
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		<dc:creator>AlexH</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rossi -- I&#039;m with you on this one. We shall see if this is just political maneuvering or if Obama is throwing us under the bus. I&#039;m still laughing at the &quot;enabling twits at HRC&quot; and the Barney Frank underwear show! 

Dan L. raises an interesting point about the clause in the injunction only applying to LCR members. If one were to join the LCR, could they then join the military, free and openly?

My guess it there&#039;s probably a stipulation stating that members must have been members prior to the filing of the suit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rossi &#8212; I&#8217;m with you on this one. We shall see if this is just political maneuvering or if Obama is throwing us under the bus. I&#8217;m still laughing at the &#8220;enabling twits at HRC&#8221; and the Barney Frank underwear show! </p>
<p>Dan L. raises an interesting point about the clause in the injunction only applying to LCR members. If one were to join the LCR, could they then join the military, free and openly?</p>
<p>My guess it there&#8217;s probably a stipulation stating that members must have been members prior to the filing of the suit.</p>
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		<title>By: JT</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 19:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republican politicians fear their base, and those who lose touch eventually lose, generally. Can the same be said to be true of Democrats? Isn&#039;t there something to be learned here?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republican politicians fear their base, and those who lose touch eventually lose, generally. Can the same be said to be true of Democrats? Isn&#8217;t there something to be learned here?</p>
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		<title>By: Rossi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rossi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take umbrage at the comment that gays are stupid for supporting Obama. Perhaps when he was running against Clinton in the primaries that was a fair argument. But today it&#039;s almost farcical. And certainly &quot;stupid&quot;.

Those who see the politics behind all of this are the ones who are closer to the real reason all of this failed. At this time of year, find me one sane political observer who DOESN&#039;T think that every single step is done with calculation not for what&#039;s right but what the optics are for elections.

It&#039;s pretty obvious in this thread the optics for the gay vote are pretty bad. But we&#039;ve been calculated as not being as important as the Hispanic vote, as the independent voter, the union member, the sr. citizen, the corporation (now a person!), or just the lazy Democrat voter who may or may not show up at the polls.

But this isn&#039;t going to change until the gay vote surpasses the other interest groups with sheer numbers (well, not at least until the indoctrination efforts are complete) or the money reaches a level of influence beyond a bunch of enabling twits at HRC who just want to have yet another underwear fashion show for Barney Frank.

Until then, count me among the folks who are not surprised at any of this, who saw it coming,  but are willing to hold hope that there is actually a whole shitload of time left in 2010 to get a lot done and I&#039;m not going to be impatient.

And also take articles like this one, tuned for maximum anger-building effect, with a huge grain of salt. (Sorry, Timmy, you&#039;re pushing the histrionic button here.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take umbrage at the comment that gays are stupid for supporting Obama. Perhaps when he was running against Clinton in the primaries that was a fair argument. But today it&#8217;s almost farcical. And certainly &#8220;stupid&#8221;.</p>
<p>Those who see the politics behind all of this are the ones who are closer to the real reason all of this failed. At this time of year, find me one sane political observer who DOESN&#8217;T think that every single step is done with calculation not for what&#8217;s right but what the optics are for elections.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pretty obvious in this thread the optics for the gay vote are pretty bad. But we&#8217;ve been calculated as not being as important as the Hispanic vote, as the independent voter, the union member, the sr. citizen, the corporation (now a person!), or just the lazy Democrat voter who may or may not show up at the polls.</p>
<p>But this isn&#8217;t going to change until the gay vote surpasses the other interest groups with sheer numbers (well, not at least until the indoctrination efforts are complete) or the money reaches a level of influence beyond a bunch of enabling twits at HRC who just want to have yet another underwear fashion show for Barney Frank.</p>
<p>Until then, count me among the folks who are not surprised at any of this, who saw it coming,  but are willing to hold hope that there is actually a whole shitload of time left in 2010 to get a lot done and I&#8217;m not going to be impatient.</p>
<p>And also take articles like this one, tuned for maximum anger-building effect, with a huge grain of salt. (Sorry, Timmy, you&#8217;re pushing the histrionic button here.)</p>
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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The more I hate that idea the more I believe that is exactly what they deserve.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

This bunch of elected Democrats has probably done all the good they&#039;re collectively capable of doing.

The People is voting out the least useful/most obstructive/most expended and obsolete ones this election.  Same story as in 1994 and 2002.  

The partisan cycle in American politics runs from one midterm to the midterm eight years down the road, when it repeats.  According to it 2012 will probably continue the purging, see more Democrats defeated but (like this cycle) few of the defeated will be mourned or worth mourning.  2014/16 will then see more Democrats elected and likely ones of better quality.

Republican voters seem to prefer their politicians to be like daipers- does the job demanded uncompromisingly for the required period of time. And is then entirely disposable without sorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The more I hate that idea the more I believe that is exactly what they deserve.</p></blockquote>
<p>This bunch of elected Democrats has probably done all the good they&#8217;re collectively capable of doing.</p>
<p>The People is voting out the least useful/most obstructive/most expended and obsolete ones this election.  Same story as in 1994 and 2002.  </p>
<p>The partisan cycle in American politics runs from one midterm to the midterm eight years down the road, when it repeats.  According to it 2012 will probably continue the purging, see more Democrats defeated but (like this cycle) few of the defeated will be mourned or worth mourning.  2014/16 will then see more Democrats elected and likely ones of better quality.</p>
<p>Republican voters seem to prefer their politicians to be like daipers- does the job demanded uncompromisingly for the required period of time. And is then entirely disposable without sorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Consider this: 
It makes no sense to me at all to vote out a whole group of Legislators who are mostly on my side, and to vote IN a whole group who are mostly Against me, just to spite a few of them.  Makes no sense.

What Does make sense is for me (I suggest others) to vote on individual Senators and Congressman who side with us.  I will not abandon the Dems categorically.  I WILL encourage them to grow stronger, while voting against those individuals who are DINOs. 

A number of very interesting reports are culminating for me this week about the Religious and Worldwide Powers That Be who are not in our favor.  Jeff Sharlett has written another book about C-Street and The Family, and the overall religious contingents that infiltrate and affect our Government, at all levels.

There was also programming which described the current change of financial power moving from the Banking System to Investments held by Wealthy Nations [such as Saudi Arabia (which has the death penalty for Gays)]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg

I was particularly disturbed with Supreme Court Justice Scalias remarks this week saying that gays are not protected by the Constitution.

http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/20/26371

*Very Interesting*
NPR reports on the overwhelming dominance of Christian Evangelism in the Military: 

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130070569

Bibles distributed to Service Members:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4772331
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This all adds up to the growing Religious Domination over Individuals Rights.  Exactly what Colonists were trying to escape when coming to the new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consider this:<br />
It makes no sense to me at all to vote out a whole group of Legislators who are mostly on my side, and to vote IN a whole group who are mostly Against me, just to spite a few of them.  Makes no sense.</p>
<p>What Does make sense is for me (I suggest others) to vote on individual Senators and Congressman who side with us.  I will not abandon the Dems categorically.  I WILL encourage them to grow stronger, while voting against those individuals who are DINOs. </p>
<p>A number of very interesting reports are culminating for me this week about the Religious and Worldwide Powers That Be who are not in our favor.  Jeff Sharlett has written another book about C-Street and The Family, and the overall religious contingents that infiltrate and affect our Government, at all levels.</p>
<p>There was also programming which described the current change of financial power moving from the Banking System to Investments held by Wealthy Nations [such as Saudi Arabia (which has the death penalty for Gays)]</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:World_homosexuality_laws.svg</a></p>
<p>I was particularly disturbed with Supreme Court Justice Scalias remarks this week saying that gays are not protected by the Constitution.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/20/26371" rel="nofollow" class="articleLink">http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/20/26371</a></p>
<p>*Very Interesting*<br />
NPR reports on the overwhelming dominance of Christian Evangelism in the Military: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130070569" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=130070569</a></p>
<p>Bibles distributed to Service Members:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4772331" rel="nofollow">http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4772331</a><br />
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<p>This all adds up to the growing Religious Domination over Individuals Rights.  Exactly what Colonists were trying to escape when coming to the new world.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/09/23/26595/comment-page-1#comment-79394</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This leads me to believe that Obama&#039;s DOJ will take the same tack when Prop 8 reaches the Supreme Court level.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This leads me to believe that Obama&#8217;s DOJ will take the same tack when Prop 8 reaches the Supreme Court level.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Alex, the irony is lost on our first Black Attorney General.  The AG has autonomy when it comes to investigating other Executive Branch agencies.  It does not with defending laws.  That&#039;s why they&#039;re not prosecuting against the medical marijuana states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Alex, the irony is lost on our first Black Attorney General.  The AG has autonomy when it comes to investigating other Executive Branch agencies.  It does not with defending laws.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re not prosecuting against the medical marijuana states.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan L</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 08:19:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just curious, but if the injunction is limited to members of LCR, could any gay service member just apply for membership in Log Cabin and immediately be protected by the injunction?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just curious, but if the injunction is limited to members of LCR, could any gay service member just apply for membership in Log Cabin and immediately be protected by the injunction?</p>
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