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	<title>Comments on: GayTM On the Fritz: Gay Political Donations Down</title>
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		<title>By: Publius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Publius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2010 18:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that just when the Democrats get control of Congress, we (the gay community) get disenchanted, sitting by while the Republicans gain control.  Then (too late), we whine about how awful things are, help Dems regain control, get disenchanted, etc., etc., and etc.  

When will we learn?  Stick with the Dems, just like the wingnuts stick with the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that just when the Democrats get control of Congress, we (the gay community) get disenchanted, sitting by while the Republicans gain control.  Then (too late), we whine about how awful things are, help Dems regain control, get disenchanted, etc., etc., and etc.  </p>
<p>When will we learn?  Stick with the Dems, just like the wingnuts stick with the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: John in the Bay Area</title>
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		<dc:creator>John in the Bay Area</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 20:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised that they even got the $744,000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised that they even got the $744,000</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;are not entrenched

Correction (damn it I hate it when I do this):


.. they are &lt;b&gt;now&lt;/b&gt; entrenched...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>are not entrenched</p>
<p>Correction (damn it I hate it when I do this):</p>
<p>.. they are <b>now</b> entrenched&#8230;</i></p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean the HRC is not part of the establishment. HRC made it perfectly clear they are part of the establishment by the way the behaved about DADT. 

I think we should stop being naive about it and call it like it is. They stopped being an advocacy group a long time ago and they are not entrenched in the establishment and their main purpose is as a stepping stone for the precious few &quot;gay appointments&quot; each administration gives away as tokens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean the HRC is not part of the establishment. HRC made it perfectly clear they are part of the establishment by the way the behaved about DADT. </p>
<p>I think we should stop being naive about it and call it like it is. They stopped being an advocacy group a long time ago and they are not entrenched in the establishment and their main purpose is as a stepping stone for the precious few &#8220;gay appointments&#8221; each administration gives away as tokens.</p>
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		<title>By: William Westwork</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Westwork</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I regret Jim, that you waited to take this stand. But better late than never.

It&#039;s pathetic that gays and lesbians have allowed themselves to become the poodles of the Democratic party. Prancing around the ring and striking poses whenever the Party needs a late Friday afternoon photo-op.

But Washington knows just how to perfume the air with enough of a whiff of scintillating power to keep uncritical and self-absorbed queer social climbers within their grasp.

And Jim, your stand is still a half-measure that doesn&#039;t really get to the heart of the matter; rather than give ANY self-interested money to self-interested politicians, why not give money to food banks, shelters, or health programs.

Sadly, until homosexuals and their &quot;leaders&quot; are willing to be beaten-up or arrested repeatedly, like Ghandi or King, nothing will change. All laws will remain the same. Equal rights must be taken, because they are never freely given.

Would abandoning the &quot;Leadership Conference/Cocktail Fundraiser as Panacea&quot; mentality of queer culture make a dent in the politicians?

It damn sure would. The last thing the Democratic establishment expects gays and lesbians to do is the one thing it is hardest for any derided minority to do, and that is NOT to vote at all.

Maybe its time for us to do what we&#039;re most afraid to do. Let Chaos reign until the political class realizes that our precious lives are not their political playthings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I regret Jim, that you waited to take this stand. But better late than never.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s pathetic that gays and lesbians have allowed themselves to become the poodles of the Democratic party. Prancing around the ring and striking poses whenever the Party needs a late Friday afternoon photo-op.</p>
<p>But Washington knows just how to perfume the air with enough of a whiff of scintillating power to keep uncritical and self-absorbed queer social climbers within their grasp.</p>
<p>And Jim, your stand is still a half-measure that doesn&#8217;t really get to the heart of the matter; rather than give ANY self-interested money to self-interested politicians, why not give money to food banks, shelters, or health programs.</p>
<p>Sadly, until homosexuals and their &#8220;leaders&#8221; are willing to be beaten-up or arrested repeatedly, like Ghandi or King, nothing will change. All laws will remain the same. Equal rights must be taken, because they are never freely given.</p>
<p>Would abandoning the &#8220;Leadership Conference/Cocktail Fundraiser as Panacea&#8221; mentality of queer culture make a dent in the politicians?</p>
<p>It damn sure would. The last thing the Democratic establishment expects gays and lesbians to do is the one thing it is hardest for any derided minority to do, and that is NOT to vote at all.</p>
<p>Maybe its time for us to do what we&#8217;re most afraid to do. Let Chaos reign until the political class realizes that our precious lives are not their political playthings.</p>
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		<title>By: TominDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TominDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me cynical, but let&#039;s step outside the situation and imagine looking at the US political system as an outsider.

Imagine if we got the handful of big things done - ENDA passed, DADT and DOMA repealed, and marriage equality.  There&#039;ll be calls to undo the legislative gains for the next few years, but after that, wouldn&#039;t the GayTM be essentially shut down?  Or at the very least, be significantly reduced?

The way I see it, the only financially sensible thing for the democratic party to do is to string us along for as long as they can to maximize their financial gains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me cynical, but let&#8217;s step outside the situation and imagine looking at the US political system as an outsider.</p>
<p>Imagine if we got the handful of big things done &#8211; ENDA passed, DADT and DOMA repealed, and marriage equality.  There&#8217;ll be calls to undo the legislative gains for the next few years, but after that, wouldn&#8217;t the GayTM be essentially shut down?  Or at the very least, be significantly reduced?</p>
<p>The way I see it, the only financially sensible thing for the democratic party to do is to string us along for as long as they can to maximize their financial gains.</p>
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		<title>By: Grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim - I wholeheartedly agree with this entire post. I continue to scratch my head at how HRC receives its funding. Who donates to them anymore? Is their main source of funding merchandise at their HRC stores? I just don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim &#8211; I wholeheartedly agree with this entire post. I continue to scratch my head at how HRC receives its funding. Who donates to them anymore? Is their main source of funding merchandise at their HRC stores? I just don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen, the Republicans &quot;got involved&quot; in DADT repeal--and killed it. Let&#039;s not forget that. Democrats aren&#039;t blameless, but the GOP gets the lion&#039;s share. And while Ted Olsen is a Republican personally, he&#039;s not a politican and not representing the party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen, the Republicans &#8220;got involved&#8221; in DADT repeal&#8211;and killed it. Let&#8217;s not forget that. Democrats aren&#8217;t blameless, but the GOP gets the lion&#8217;s share. And while Ted Olsen is a Republican personally, he&#8217;s not a politican and not representing the party.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 16:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely it would be in the best interests of gay people to stop giving to the Democratic Party as a whole and start giving to specific candidates (Democratic or Republican) who actually walk the walk.  

There are a lot of state senators and state representatives who have taken courageous stands and voted for gay marriage in VT, NH, ME, NY, and NJ.  Kirsten Gillibrand has actually earned gay support, too, although I think she&#039;s already sitting on a pile of money.

If you are going to give money, far better to give to specific candidates directly than to give to HRC or to the Democratic Party as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely it would be in the best interests of gay people to stop giving to the Democratic Party as a whole and start giving to specific candidates (Democratic or Republican) who actually walk the walk.  </p>
<p>There are a lot of state senators and state representatives who have taken courageous stands and voted for gay marriage in VT, NH, ME, NY, and NJ.  Kirsten Gillibrand has actually earned gay support, too, although I think she&#8217;s already sitting on a pile of money.</p>
<p>If you are going to give money, far better to give to specific candidates directly than to give to HRC or to the Democratic Party as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Sep 2010 15:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dispiriting for those of us who reckon ourselves to be Democrats to see that the most significant progress has come when Republicans get involved; I&#039;m thinking of the Prop 8 challenge and the DADT challenge. Not that there&#039;s anything wrong with Republican support - good to see them getting involved - but where have the Democrats been all this time? I can understand if they can&#039;t get things done but at least they could try.

It&#039;s been a real grief to see that not only does this president not &#039;pander&#039; to his base, he goes out of his way to show how little we mean to him. It began with Rick Warren and has gone steadily downhill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dispiriting for those of us who reckon ourselves to be Democrats to see that the most significant progress has come when Republicans get involved; I&#8217;m thinking of the Prop 8 challenge and the DADT challenge. Not that there&#8217;s anything wrong with Republican support &#8211; good to see them getting involved &#8211; but where have the Democrats been all this time? I can understand if they can&#8217;t get things done but at least they could try.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been a real grief to see that not only does this president not &#8216;pander&#8217; to his base, he goes out of his way to show how little we mean to him. It began with Rick Warren and has gone steadily downhill.</p>
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