Comments on: NSSHB on gay percentages http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sat, 18 May 2013 05:23:44 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Jnyca http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-87791 Jnyca Tue, 25 Jan 2011 20:10:32 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-87791 These studies are so inconclusive in my opinion. Any gay guy can tell you they have had a decent amount of sexual contact with men who would never consider themselves "gay". Most people just aren't about advertising this sort of information in a public sphere that so clearly demonizes gays. And at the end of the day, a mouth is a mouth....who cares? Look at prison....with no other option those guys sure seem fine screwing other guys, and a lot of them definitely don't consider themselves gay. Also, a lot of cultures don't consider themselves gay if they are the top (or the penetrator) ... figure that out.... it's completely irrational but that's the thought process. Most people try it once no matter what they say, and the truth is.... there is obviously a LOT MORE homosexual sex happening than anyone wants to claim. Either way, whether there is a larger number or smaller number, it is still pathetic how badly our country treats gays. End of story. These studies are so inconclusive in my opinion. Any gay guy can tell you they have had a decent amount of sexual contact with men who would never consider themselves “gay”.

Most people just aren’t about advertising this sort of information in a public sphere that so clearly demonizes gays.

And at the end of the day, a mouth is a mouth….who cares? Look at prison….with no other option those guys sure seem fine screwing other guys, and a lot of them definitely don’t consider themselves gay.

Also, a lot of cultures don’t consider themselves gay if they are the top (or the penetrator) … figure that out…. it’s completely irrational but that’s the thought process.

Most people try it once no matter what they say, and the truth is…. there is obviously a LOT MORE homosexual sex happening than anyone wants to claim.

Either way, whether there is a larger number or smaller number, it is still pathetic how badly our country treats gays. End of story.

]]> By: RobNYNY1957 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80486 RobNYNY1957 Fri, 08 Oct 2010 17:36:21 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80486 Another intersting thing in the man-on-man sex acts performed in the last year (gave oral, received oral, inserted penis in anus, received penis in anus). They all initially peak in the early 20's, and then generally decline through the 30's. That is what you would expect from gay men as they settle down and their sex drives slow. But then in the 40's and 50's thosee numbers start to rise again and reach very high numbers again in the 50's. I speculate that this is the result of nominally hetero men who begin to experiment with man-on-man sex in early middle age. It certainly matches my straight male friends in those age groups. I'm surprised this trend hasn't received more comment. Another intersting thing in the man-on-man sex acts performed in the last year (gave oral, received oral, inserted penis in anus, received penis in anus). They all initially peak in the early 20′s, and then generally decline through the 30′s. That is what you would expect from gay men as they settle down and their sex drives slow. But then in the 40′s and 50′s thosee numbers start to rise again and reach very high numbers again in the 50′s. I speculate that this is the result of nominally hetero men who begin to experiment with man-on-man sex in early middle age. It certainly matches my straight male friends in those age groups. I’m surprised this trend hasn’t received more comment.

]]> By: Eastsidejim http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80472 Eastsidejim Fri, 08 Oct 2010 03:03:26 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80472 The morality of extra-martial sex aside... The number of married men who regularly enjoy sex with another man, and don't identify as "LGBT" is an indicator of how these studies can be skewed to the "straight" side of the statistics. As Tim mentioned in the article, it is difficult to measure who is LGBT because of the individualistic definition / nature of sexual orientation. The only sure measure is what sex the men are having (as in repeatedly not the once at age 13). There was a study in 2006 that showed nearly 10% of straight identified men ONLY have sex with men and 70% of "straight" identified men having sex with men are married. Article cite below.... _____________ Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed 'Straight' Men Only Have Sex With Men By Daniel J. DeNoon WebMD Health News Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD Sept. 18, 2006 -- Nearly one in 10 men who say they're straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds. And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married...... http://www.webmd.com/sex/news/20060918/many-straight-men-have-gay-sex The morality of extra-martial sex aside… The number of married men who regularly enjoy sex with another man, and don’t identify as “LGBT” is an indicator of how these studies can be skewed to the “straight” side of the statistics. As Tim mentioned in the article, it is difficult to measure who is LGBT because of the individualistic definition / nature of sexual orientation. The only sure measure is what sex the men are having (as in repeatedly not the once at age 13). There was a study in 2006 that showed nearly 10% of straight identified men ONLY have sex with men and 70% of “straight” identified men having sex with men are married. Article cite below….

_____________

Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed ‘Straight’ Men Only Have Sex With Men
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

Sept. 18, 2006 —

Nearly one in 10 men who say they’re straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.

And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married……

http://www.webmd.com/sex/news/20060918/many-straight-men-have-gay-sex

]]> By: Emily K http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80469 Emily K Thu, 07 Oct 2010 22:31:26 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80469 If the study is about "received penis in anus," and that specific act ONLY, then I'd say it might correlate. I'll take Timothy's noted example a bit further - What does it say about a man who is only sexually attracted to MTF transgender persons who look female but are still male in their genitalia? Are these people gay? bisexual? Closeted?? In denial??? Maybe they're just human. If the study is about “received penis in anus,” and that specific act ONLY, then I’d say it might correlate. I’ll take Timothy’s noted example a bit further – What does it say about a man who is only sexually attracted to MTF transgender persons who look female but are still male in their genitalia? Are these people gay? bisexual? Closeted?? In denial??? Maybe they’re just human.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80464 Timothy Kincaid Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:03:36 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80464 Engineer, <blockquote>“And there is probably not a significant percentage of the population who regularly are anal sex recipients yet who lack any same-sex attraction.” That was a pretty big statement, are you faimiliar with the concept of ‘pegging’? Having your wife penetrate you does not correllate with feeling same-sex attraction.</blockquote> The study was of “received penis in anus.” Unless their wives had grown penises, I don't think they were measuring pegging. Engineer,

“And there is probably not a significant percentage of the population who regularly are anal sex recipients yet who lack any same-sex attraction.”

That was a pretty big statement, are you faimiliar with the concept of ‘pegging’? Having your wife penetrate you does not correllate with feeling same-sex attraction.

The study was of “received penis in anus.” Unless their wives had grown penises, I don’t think they were measuring pegging.

]]> By: Richard Rush http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80455 Richard Rush Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:38:52 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80455 Hey, krakatoa, my partner and I have been happily and healthfully promoting the myth of same-sex commitment for 29 years. And, by-the-way, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krakatoa" rel="nofollow">krakatoa</a> is an appropriate name-choice. You really are similar to a volcano, which is similar to a giant pimple that sometimes pops and oozes pus. Hey, krakatoa, my partner and I have been happily and healthfully promoting the myth of same-sex commitment for 29 years.

And, by-the-way, krakatoa is an appropriate name-choice. You really are similar to a volcano, which is similar to a giant pimple that sometimes pops and oozes pus.

]]> By: Emily K http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80453 Emily K Thu, 07 Oct 2010 14:28:04 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80453 Well gee, Priya, I guess your single personal experience is enough to judge the sexualities of everybody else in the world. And here I thought people engaged in sexual acts that stimulated certain erogenous zones with their partners because they enjoyed the physical sensations, not because they thought their partners were "lacking" in some sense. And since when does genitalia alone determine sexual orientation? After all, your most important sexual organ is the one between your ears. There's a difference between becoming aroused by a sexual act or situation and embodying a type of sexual orientation. Well gee, Priya, I guess your single personal experience is enough to judge the sexualities of everybody else in the world.

And here I thought people engaged in sexual acts that stimulated certain erogenous zones with their partners because they enjoyed the physical sensations, not because they thought their partners were “lacking” in some sense.

And since when does genitalia alone determine sexual orientation? After all, your most important sexual organ is the one between your ears. There’s a difference between becoming aroused by a sexual act or situation and embodying a type of sexual orientation.

]]> By: Priya Lynn http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80450 Priya Lynn Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:47:23 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80450 Emily, I am attracted to women but when I was married to a woman I had her penetrate me and it was because I was desiring men at the time. Just as a prisoner may lie back and think of a girl when another man services him a husband may think of a man while his wife penetrates him. Anyone who enjoys being penetrated by a penis analogue can also be turned on by being penetrated by a penis. Its possible that a heterosexual man may receive fellatio from another man while thinking of a woman but that's because the act is the same whether its a woman or not. When a man is penetrated by a woman or a lesbian by a dildo, that's similating penetration by a penis, something a woman isn't naturally equipped to do. When one is enjoying an act that is representative of men its a pretty tough argument to say they aren't sexually aroused by men or at least one aspect of men. Emily, I am attracted to women but when I was married to a woman I had her penetrate me and it was because I was desiring men at the time. Just as a prisoner may lie back and think of a girl when another man services him a husband may think of a man while his wife penetrates him. Anyone who enjoys being penetrated by a penis analogue can also be turned on by being penetrated by a penis. Its possible that a heterosexual man may receive fellatio from another man while thinking of a woman but that’s because the act is the same whether its a woman or not. When a man is penetrated by a woman or a lesbian by a dildo, that’s similating penetration by a penis, something a woman isn’t naturally equipped to do. When one is enjoying an act that is representative of men its a pretty tough argument to say they aren’t sexually aroused by men or at least one aspect of men.

]]> By: Emily K http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80449 Emily K Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:31:59 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80449 krakatoa/box frog/dan farrell, tell me how lesbians are breeding grounds for disease, death, and promiscuity. Otherwise, you are saying in omission that you find gay men icky but no problem with lesbians. (and probably get turned on by them, if you're not gay yourself.) Hm? One statistic, please? krakatoa/box frog/dan farrell,

tell me how lesbians are breeding grounds for disease, death, and promiscuity. Otherwise, you are saying in omission that you find gay men icky but no problem with lesbians. (and probably get turned on by them, if you’re not gay yourself.)

Hm? One statistic, please?

]]> By: Emily K http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/05/27038/comment-page-1#comment-80447 Emily K Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:27:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=27038#comment-80447 <blockquote> Engineer said “Having your wife penetrate you does not correllate with feeling same-sex attraction.”. I think it does. </blockquote> No, it doesn’t. As long as it’s a woman performing a sex act, and that is the gender the man finds attractive, it’s not a marker for same-sex attraction. Just like if a prisoner lies back and thinks of a girl when another man services him, the type of sex act does not equate with sexual orientation. This is as ridiculous as saying a lesbian who enjoys strap-ons or dildos is secretly straight or bisexual. Or a straight woman who enjoys digital sex performed by a man is secretly attracted to other women. Or is everyone here settling for the stereotype that buttsecks = gayness?

Engineer said “Having your wife penetrate you does not correllate with feeling same-sex attraction.”.

I think it does.

No, it doesn’t. As long as it’s a woman performing a sex act, and that is the gender the man finds attractive, it’s not a marker for same-sex attraction. Just like if a prisoner lies back and thinks of a girl when another man services him, the type of sex act does not equate with sexual orientation. This is as ridiculous as saying a lesbian who enjoys strap-ons or dildos is secretly straight or bisexual. Or a straight woman who enjoys digital sex performed by a man is secretly attracted to other women.

Or is everyone here settling for the stereotype that buttsecks = gayness?

]]>