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	<title>Comments on: Are these Martin Ssempa&#8217;s Fingerprints on the Latest Anti-Gay Campaign?</title>
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		<title>By: JakeP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JakeP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2010 22:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ugandans actually believe these kinds of ridiculous conspiracies? And forget education, this seems like a basic common sense / gullibility thing.

Sure, even early American settlers hunted their imagined witches, but this seems so much more convoluted and sensational. Vast recruitment campaigns, initiation of &quot;new&quot; members, etc ... REALLY???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugandans actually believe these kinds of ridiculous conspiracies? And forget education, this seems like a basic common sense / gullibility thing.</p>
<p>Sure, even early American settlers hunted their imagined witches, but this seems so much more convoluted and sensational. Vast recruitment campaigns, initiation of &#8220;new&#8221; members, etc &#8230; REALLY???</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 02:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cynthia. I want to marry you right now. Only kidding. Excellent post though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cynthia. I want to marry you right now. Only kidding. Excellent post though.</p>
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		<title>By: EZam</title>
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		<dc:creator>EZam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 16:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Charlie

Why is that directed to me? I was pointing out that Jame has been brainwashed by its government and/or church.</description>
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<p>Why is that directed to me? I was pointing out that Jame has been brainwashed by its government and/or church.</p>
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		<title>By: Cynthia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cynthia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 15:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jame,

This is will be long...

Ivan said it perfectly &quot;the culture you refer to is not Ugandan.&quot; But, as a proud black woman, I will go further as to why your position about &quot;African values&quot; on Homosexuality indicates that YOU are still COLONIZED and have completely lost touch and/or ignorant of real Africaness. Sadly, you are not the only one who is this way.

Same-Sex relationships and Transgender folks existed in Africa BEFORE the presence of Europeans. In Pre-colonial African sexuality was not fixed and more in touch with nature.  Gender roles were a bit more flexible. Most South African Zulu healers were women, but some were male to female transgender healers.  The Kenyan Mugawe a religious leader of the Meru is a male that would wear women&#039;s clothes and would marry a man. Angolan Kwayamas would do the same. Lesbian affairs occurred among ummarried Akan women of present-day Ghana. I can go on...

Oh and here are some souces to back it up: David Greenberg: The Construction of Homosexuality, &quot;Out in Africa&quot; by Gauruv Desai. Another book you might want to read is, African Intimacies: Race, Homosexuality and Globalization.

Homophobia in Africa is a product of European Colonialism. The values that you are promoting are based on old European puritan views that were never originally Ugandan.  I might go further and take it that you are a Christian and that you may follow the bible.  If not, it is apparent Ugandans have been brainwashed by a real Un-African European import, Christianity.

 I ask you and folks like Martin Ssempa, if you follow the bible, have you also accepted Leviticus 25, Exodus 21, Ephesians 6, Timothy 6, Luke 12, and my favorite Genesis 9. You know that Curse of Ham Story?... part of the reason why Christianity was imposed on African slaves in the first place? These biblical passages refer to the bibles explicit support for slavery and the destiny of dark skinned folks.

If Uganda want to eradicate the Gays, based on the whim of Christian evangelicals and their bible, you should accept that our dark skin is inferior and we are only fit to be slaves. Also, condemn the Republic of Uganda for being an independent state from Great Britain since 1962. The Republic should be under the jurisdiction of the Imperial British East Africa Company and there should be call for enslaving Ugandans...just like the old days.

Then again Jame, you’re probably a victim of misinformation and so lost from your blackness, you can’t even begin to comprehend my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jame,</p>
<p>This is will be long&#8230;</p>
<p>Ivan said it perfectly &#8220;the culture you refer to is not Ugandan.&#8221; But, as a proud black woman, I will go further as to why your position about &#8220;African values&#8221; on Homosexuality indicates that YOU are still COLONIZED and have completely lost touch and/or ignorant of real Africaness. Sadly, you are not the only one who is this way.</p>
<p>Same-Sex relationships and Transgender folks existed in Africa BEFORE the presence of Europeans. In Pre-colonial African sexuality was not fixed and more in touch with nature.  Gender roles were a bit more flexible. Most South African Zulu healers were women, but some were male to female transgender healers.  The Kenyan Mugawe a religious leader of the Meru is a male that would wear women&#8217;s clothes and would marry a man. Angolan Kwayamas would do the same. Lesbian affairs occurred among ummarried Akan women of present-day Ghana. I can go on&#8230;</p>
<p>Oh and here are some souces to back it up: David Greenberg: The Construction of Homosexuality, &#8220;Out in Africa&#8221; by Gauruv Desai. Another book you might want to read is, African Intimacies: Race, Homosexuality and Globalization.</p>
<p>Homophobia in Africa is a product of European Colonialism. The values that you are promoting are based on old European puritan views that were never originally Ugandan.  I might go further and take it that you are a Christian and that you may follow the bible.  If not, it is apparent Ugandans have been brainwashed by a real Un-African European import, Christianity.</p>
<p> I ask you and folks like Martin Ssempa, if you follow the bible, have you also accepted Leviticus 25, Exodus 21, Ephesians 6, Timothy 6, Luke 12, and my favorite Genesis 9. You know that Curse of Ham Story?&#8230; part of the reason why Christianity was imposed on African slaves in the first place? These biblical passages refer to the bibles explicit support for slavery and the destiny of dark skinned folks.</p>
<p>If Uganda want to eradicate the Gays, based on the whim of Christian evangelicals and their bible, you should accept that our dark skin is inferior and we are only fit to be slaves. Also, condemn the Republic of Uganda for being an independent state from Great Britain since 1962. The Republic should be under the jurisdiction of the Imperial British East Africa Company and there should be call for enslaving Ugandans&#8230;just like the old days.</p>
<p>Then again Jame, you’re probably a victim of misinformation and so lost from your blackness, you can’t even begin to comprehend my point.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Oct 2010 12:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jame and EZam

Did you know that Kabaka Mwanga who ruled Buganda Kingdom in Uganda towards the end of the 19th Century, was also sexually interested in MEN?

And you say that homosexuality is un-African? 

One is only entitled to their opinions, and not to facts. You better check yours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jame and EZam</p>
<p>Did you know that Kabaka Mwanga who ruled Buganda Kingdom in Uganda towards the end of the 19th Century, was also sexually interested in MEN?</p>
<p>And you say that homosexuality is un-African? </p>
<p>One is only entitled to their opinions, and not to facts. You better check yours.</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 19:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is no use arguing with Jame. He and others like him will continue to ignore education and enlightenment in favor of distortions, blanket statements, and blatant falsehoods, because those premises are what validate their hatred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is no use arguing with Jame. He and others like him will continue to ignore education and enlightenment in favor of distortions, blanket statements, and blatant falsehoods, because those premises are what validate their hatred.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris McCoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris McCoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jame wrote:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Homosexuality is highly unheard of practise in any corner of this nation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
It is unheard of because you do not tolerate it being discussed. It is not that it does not happen, it is that you do not allow to it be talked about openly. Refusing to talk rationally about homosexuality does not make all homosexuals magically disappear. It just makes them go into hiding, fearing for their lives.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and many other nations have done this and have succeeded.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Those countries which outlaw homosexuality did not eliminate homosexuality from their countries. The homosexuals are still there. All that those countries did is make sexual terrorism legal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jame wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>Homosexuality is highly unheard of practise in any corner of this nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>It is unheard of because you do not tolerate it being discussed. It is not that it does not happen, it is that you do not allow to it be talked about openly. Refusing to talk rationally about homosexuality does not make all homosexuals magically disappear. It just makes them go into hiding, fearing for their lives.</p>
<blockquote><p>Eritrea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq and many other nations have done this and have succeeded.</p></blockquote>
<p>Those countries which outlaw homosexuality did not eliminate homosexuality from their countries. The homosexuals are still there. All that those countries did is make sexual terrorism legal.</p>
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		<title>By: Lael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 18:08:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jame

I find it interesting that you came here in the first place. What agenda do you have? Is it to try to convince us of Ssempa&#039;s innocence regarding the article? Is it to engage &#039;the gays&#039; in an argument to distract from the article and the agenda of Rolling Stone, Red Pepper, Ssempa and other anti-gay government people?

You counter my demand for proof with my own words. My response: look it up. The information is easily accessible at a library and failing that, the internet. Anthropology has covered this material long ago. I am not talking about anything radical. Nice attempt to distract again. Show me your proof of recruiting. Show me your proof that foreigners are doing this. Show me proof that you even care what our opinion really is.

When your country considers &#039;hang them&#039; an acceptable answer to the gays, I don&#039;t see why the world must just sit back and accept it without comment. When your government seriously considers making it law that death is the answer to gays, the world will have something to say. Does Uganda want to participate with the rest of the world? Does Uganda want that foreign aid money? Then we have a right to comment and disapprove. Denying the humanity and rights of gay people anywhere is a denial of civility and decency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jame</p>
<p>I find it interesting that you came here in the first place. What agenda do you have? Is it to try to convince us of Ssempa&#8217;s innocence regarding the article? Is it to engage &#8216;the gays&#8217; in an argument to distract from the article and the agenda of Rolling Stone, Red Pepper, Ssempa and other anti-gay government people?</p>
<p>You counter my demand for proof with my own words. My response: look it up. The information is easily accessible at a library and failing that, the internet. Anthropology has covered this material long ago. I am not talking about anything radical. Nice attempt to distract again. Show me your proof of recruiting. Show me your proof that foreigners are doing this. Show me proof that you even care what our opinion really is.</p>
<p>When your country considers &#8216;hang them&#8217; an acceptable answer to the gays, I don&#8217;t see why the world must just sit back and accept it without comment. When your government seriously considers making it law that death is the answer to gays, the world will have something to say. Does Uganda want to participate with the rest of the world? Does Uganda want that foreign aid money? Then we have a right to comment and disapprove. Denying the humanity and rights of gay people anywhere is a denial of civility and decency.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 17:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jame

&lt;blockquote&gt;Atleast for the few homos I have talked to, they all indicate that they were recruited into it. They didn’t join willingfully. What would you make of that.
...
In May, I councelled whose rectum was raptured by a homo. This boy was on diapers.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You have exposed yourself to be a fraud.

You have come here with stories designed to shock, but instead have met those who know your claims to be ridiculous.

No doubt such claims sell well among those who have no familiarity with either sexual attraction or human physiology, but the readers at Box Turtle Bulletin are not ignorant, foolish, superstitious, or gullible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jame</p>
<blockquote><p>Atleast for the few homos I have talked to, they all indicate that they were recruited into it. They didn’t join willingfully. What would you make of that.<br />
&#8230;<br />
In May, I councelled whose rectum was raptured by a homo. This boy was on diapers.</p></blockquote>
<p>You have exposed yourself to be a fraud.</p>
<p>You have come here with stories designed to shock, but instead have met those who know your claims to be ridiculous.</p>
<p>No doubt such claims sell well among those who have no familiarity with either sexual attraction or human physiology, but the readers at Box Turtle Bulletin are not ignorant, foolish, superstitious, or gullible.</p>
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		<title>By: EZam</title>
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		<dc:creator>EZam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 16:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>White Christians have whitewashed (no pun intended) and rewritten the history of Africa the same way communists did to other countries.</description>
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