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	<title>Comments on: The Tragic Suicide of Alan Turing</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 22:42:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brahms confuses anecdote with evidence.</description>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 18:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brahms, there is no evidence that distant fathers cause gayness.  There is however a lot of evidence that gayness is partly genetic and biological in origin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brahms, there is no evidence that distant fathers cause gayness.  There is however a lot of evidence that gayness is partly genetic and biological in origin.</p>
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		<title>By: brahms</title>
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		<dc:creator>brahms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 17:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How convenient that family reasons for homosexuality were left out of your parody.  Turing was basically abandoned by his parents at birth and lived with various people during his childhood.  He was visited by his father rarely -who lived in India. Distant, critical, and unloving father anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How convenient that family reasons for homosexuality were left out of your parody.  Turing was basically abandoned by his parents at birth and lived with various people during his childhood.  He was visited by his father rarely -who lived in India. Distant, critical, and unloving father anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: MIhangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIhangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Oct 2010 07:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Turing&#039;s sexuality would have been known to the security services and a blind eye turned all through his war service.  Only when he became expendable was he totally shafted by the Establishment and hung out to dry.

A bit like DADT discharges AFTER returning from combat assignments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Turing&#8217;s sexuality would have been known to the security services and a blind eye turned all through his war service.  Only when he became expendable was he totally shafted by the Establishment and hung out to dry.</p>
<p>A bit like DADT discharges AFTER returning from combat assignments.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnchadh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnchadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Oct 2010 16:44:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As bad as the abuse was, Turing might not have committed suicide. It might have been exposure to cyanide he kept in his house for chemical processes. (Read it in a letter in Scientific American, I don;t remember the details well.)
As to the statistic that andrew gives, it strikes me that the effect could come from the doubly taboo nature of such relationships - reluctance to start of admit such a relationship would mean that those who are open with being in one are the most secure in them, whilst others suffer from being all too typical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As bad as the abuse was, Turing might not have committed suicide. It might have been exposure to cyanide he kept in his house for chemical processes. (Read it in a letter in Scientific American, I don;t remember the details well.)<br />
As to the statistic that andrew gives, it strikes me that the effect could come from the doubly taboo nature of such relationships &#8211; reluctance to start of admit such a relationship would mean that those who are open with being in one are the most secure in them, whilst others suffer from being all too typical.</p>
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		<title>By: andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Emily... I&#039;m 14 year younger than my partner and I&#039;m VERY happy, thanks very much. 

It&#039;s also been pointed out in studies that when relationships are examined in detail -- gay and straight -- the category that is the most stable are age-divergent homosexual relationships. 

So bite me. ppthtththththth

:)

(I&#039;m being playful)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Emily&#8230; I&#8217;m 14 year younger than my partner and I&#8217;m VERY happy, thanks very much. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s also been pointed out in studies that when relationships are examined in detail &#8212; gay and straight &#8212; the category that is the most stable are age-divergent homosexual relationships. </p>
<p>So bite me. ppthtththththth</p>
<p>:)</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m being playful)</p>
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		<title>By: William</title>
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		<dc:creator>William</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 20:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, it does apply to heterosexuality as well. At least, that&#039;s the the way Bryan Fischer and those of similar mentality want it to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, it does apply to heterosexuality as well. At least, that&#8217;s the the way Bryan Fischer and those of similar mentality want it to be.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/15/27352/comment-page-1#comment-81023</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Sexually confused youth are pressured into locking into a sexual identity far before they are mature enough to do so.&quot;
per Bryan Fischer of the AFA.

Does this apply to heterosexuality as well?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sexually confused youth are pressured into locking into a sexual identity far before they are mature enough to do so.&#8221;<br />
per Bryan Fischer of the AFA.</p>
<p>Does this apply to heterosexuality as well?</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry Rob, it was your post; not Timothy&#039;s. Forgive me, the correction was lost in the cut and pastes of the edit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Rob, it was your post; not Timothy&#8217;s. Forgive me, the correction was lost in the cut and pastes of the edit.</p>
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		<title>By: grantdale</title>
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		<dc:creator>grantdale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Oct 2010 15:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some of you may have missed what Emily was trying to do.

In a post, well worthy of Timothy and detailing the destruction of a decent man to whom we all owe so much, we got some detailed examples of &#039;dog whistle&#039; verbalising from starlets such as Bryan Fischer, Peter Sprigg and Tony Perkins.

Emily followed up that by supporting what Timothy has said, and offered a subtle post for us all to ponder.

As Emily has reminded us, even if a gay man contributes more than his share to society he&#039;ll always nevertheless be connected to child abuse. Somehow, and we all know he must be.

You have to admit -- deeming a worldly 19 year old young man, who sought on several occasions the contact with Turing (and then robbed Turning&#039;s house with a criminal mate) as an innocent &#039;boy&#039; and a &#039;kid&#039; and an &#039;adolescent&#039; is of the  highest form of humour. I&#039;m sorry if some of you didn&#039;t quite see that way.

I&#039;m sure if Turing was here today he&#039;d be chuckling along with us, and thanking Emily for her wry sense of the ridiculous.

Personally... Turing is a hero for me. I have adapted his concept of discovery by contradictions (and thereby eliminating falsehoods) on too many occasions to mention. It works brilliantly with the so-called testimonies of so-called ex-gays, as but one example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some of you may have missed what Emily was trying to do.</p>
<p>In a post, well worthy of Timothy and detailing the destruction of a decent man to whom we all owe so much, we got some detailed examples of &#8216;dog whistle&#8217; verbalising from starlets such as Bryan Fischer, Peter Sprigg and Tony Perkins.</p>
<p>Emily followed up that by supporting what Timothy has said, and offered a subtle post for us all to ponder.</p>
<p>As Emily has reminded us, even if a gay man contributes more than his share to society he&#8217;ll always nevertheless be connected to child abuse. Somehow, and we all know he must be.</p>
<p>You have to admit &#8212; deeming a worldly 19 year old young man, who sought on several occasions the contact with Turing (and then robbed Turning&#8217;s house with a criminal mate) as an innocent &#8216;boy&#8217; and a &#8216;kid&#8217; and an &#8216;adolescent&#8217; is of the  highest form of humour. I&#8217;m sorry if some of you didn&#8217;t quite see that way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if Turing was here today he&#8217;d be chuckling along with us, and thanking Emily for her wry sense of the ridiculous.</p>
<p>Personally&#8230; Turing is a hero for me. I have adapted his concept of discovery by contradictions (and thereby eliminating falsehoods) on too many occasions to mention. It works brilliantly with the so-called testimonies of so-called ex-gays, as but one example.</p>
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