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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/26/27592/comment-page-1#comment-81794</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Oct 2010 06:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After getting a little way into the Plaintiffs&#039; brief against the appeal, I just HAD to get hold of the Defendant-Interveners&#039; appeal brief, which I found here: http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010.09.17-Defendant-Intervenor-Filing.pdf

In its own pathetic way it&#039;s quite entertaining, especially when read side by side with the Plaintiffs&#039; brief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After getting a little way into the Plaintiffs&#8217; brief against the appeal, I just HAD to get hold of the Defendant-Interveners&#8217; appeal brief, which I found here: <a href="http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010.09.17-Defendant-Intervenor-Filing.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.equalrightsfoundation.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/2010.09.17-Defendant-Intervenor-Filing.pdf</a></p>
<p>In its own pathetic way it&#8217;s quite entertaining, especially when read side by side with the Plaintiffs&#8217; brief.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Oct 2010 16:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Craig, I have voted in every election since I was eligible (1980).  What has it gotten me?  DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, 30 state bans on my marriage, etc.,etc., etc.  Why should I waste another breath on these people, much less a thought?  They have done absolutely zero for LGBT equality for over 40 damn years.  

I am emigrating to Canada as soon as I retire.  I don&#039;t want to spend my golden years worrying about whether or not I can visit my husband in the hospital, whether my home will be confiscated by the government if he dies, and all the rest of the horrible things that happen to older gay couples in the U.S.  F*ck that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Craig, I have voted in every election since I was eligible (1980).  What has it gotten me?  DADT, DOMA, Prop 8, 30 state bans on my marriage, etc.,etc., etc.  Why should I waste another breath on these people, much less a thought?  They have done absolutely zero for LGBT equality for over 40 damn years.  </p>
<p>I am emigrating to Canada as soon as I retire.  I don&#8217;t want to spend my golden years worrying about whether or not I can visit my husband in the hospital, whether my home will be confiscated by the government if he dies, and all the rest of the horrible things that happen to older gay couples in the U.S.  F*ck that.</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/10/26/27592/comment-page-1#comment-81584</link>
		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mykelb wrote:

&quot;I have never seen any legislation at the federal level giving us rights to stop the bigotry spewed by many on the right.&quot;
 
The Fairness Doctrine used to do this, up until 1987, by ensuring that the radio-listening public at least had the opportunity to hear other points of view.  It&#039;s no coincidence that right wing extremism has become worse in the last twenty years, as there are now large segments of the public that are exposed to nothing else.  

Your congressperson, if a liberal or centrist, may be able to be persuaded to take this issue seriously -- especially if he or she is worried about being replaced by someone like Christine O&#039;Donnell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mykelb wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;I have never seen any legislation at the federal level giving us rights to stop the bigotry spewed by many on the right.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Fairness Doctrine used to do this, up until 1987, by ensuring that the radio-listening public at least had the opportunity to hear other points of view.  It&#8217;s no coincidence that right wing extremism has become worse in the last twenty years, as there are now large segments of the public that are exposed to nothing else.  </p>
<p>Your congressperson, if a liberal or centrist, may be able to be persuaded to take this issue seriously &#8212; especially if he or she is worried about being replaced by someone like Christine O&#8217;Donnell.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:36:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mykelb:
I have no patience with individuals who choose to voice their opinion in public spaces, but not in the ballot box.  I have voted in every election for which I was eligible to vote, even when I felt that I couldn&#039;t vote for any of the listed candidates.  If someone can&#039;t be bothered enough to go to the poll, ask for a write-in ballot, and write in something along the lines of &quot;not one of the listed candidates is acceptable to me,&quot; I request that they not waste *my* time with their &quot;not so important&quot; opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mykelb:<br />
I have no patience with individuals who choose to voice their opinion in public spaces, but not in the ballot box.  I have voted in every election for which I was eligible to vote, even when I felt that I couldn&#8217;t vote for any of the listed candidates.  If someone can&#8217;t be bothered enough to go to the poll, ask for a write-in ballot, and write in something along the lines of &#8220;not one of the listed candidates is acceptable to me,&#8221; I request that they not waste *my* time with their &#8220;not so important&#8221; opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 15:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“normalization of homosexuality”

There is no requirement of &quot;normality&quot; in the Constitution.

Victor, Excellent quote.

Mykelb, I have long held the contention that our rights must be gained via the courts, not via the Legislatures that are beholding to the majorities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“normalization of homosexuality”</p>
<p>There is no requirement of &#8220;normality&#8221; in the Constitution.</p>
<p>Victor, Excellent quote.</p>
<p>Mykelb, I have long held the contention that our rights must be gained via the courts, not via the Legislatures that are beholding to the majorities.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you  Mr. Olson, for pointing out the obvious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you  Mr. Olson, for pointing out the obvious.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(exhaling) Welcome back, Timothy. You were missed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(exhaling) Welcome back, Timothy. You were missed.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 07:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t dismiss Roberts yet. He did pro-bono work in Romer v Evens for the plaintiffs and he also refused the stay of the DC gay marriage law with the trial over a referendum pending.

Kennedy will side with us though. He&#039;s very consistent with gay rights cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t dismiss Roberts yet. He did pro-bono work in Romer v Evens for the plaintiffs and he also refused the stay of the DC gay marriage law with the trial over a referendum pending.</p>
<p>Kennedy will side with us though. He&#8217;s very consistent with gay rights cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Mykelb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mykelb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 06:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have lived in this country for 49 years, most of it an out gay man (since 17) and an activist form most of that time.  I have never seen any legislation at the federal level giving us rights to stop the bigotry spewed by many on the right.  I support AFER and other organizations who are laying the foundation for our equality, something our fierce advocate and the cowards in Congrss have failed to do.  That is why I have decided not to vote in federal elections any longer.  Politicos are of no use to me and the LGBTQ community and have proven it over and over again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have lived in this country for 49 years, most of it an out gay man (since 17) and an activist form most of that time.  I have never seen any legislation at the federal level giving us rights to stop the bigotry spewed by many on the right.  I support AFER and other organizations who are laying the foundation for our equality, something our fierce advocate and the cowards in Congrss have failed to do.  That is why I have decided not to vote in federal elections any longer.  Politicos are of no use to me and the LGBTQ community and have proven it over and over again.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Oct 2010 04:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Moreover, because Proponents concede that gay men and lesbians have faced
a history of discrimination, see SER 302, they find themselves in the untenable position
of arguing that sexual orientation is sufficiently “definable” to serve as a basis for
discrimination, but insufficiently definable to protect gay men and lesbians from that
same discrimination.&quot;

How can people like this live with themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Moreover, because Proponents concede that gay men and lesbians have faced<br />
a history of discrimination, see SER 302, they find themselves in the untenable position<br />
of arguing that sexual orientation is sufficiently “definable” to serve as a basis for<br />
discrimination, but insufficiently definable to protect gay men and lesbians from that<br />
same discrimination.&#8221;</p>
<p>How can people like this live with themselves?</p>
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