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	<title>Comments on: Colorado school forces gay marriage supporter to change her shirt</title>
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		<title>By: Tina C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 07:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy- thanks, who knows where they went.  after 3 evaporated comments, I was getting slap-happy.

Priya- i see your point, yet I question whether calling something a sin is denigrating.  ... as i type that, it sounds horrible... but hear me out.

what I am getting at is that, if that is someone&#039;s belief, that&#039;s their belief.  it&#039;s not reality.  

if someone wore a shirt that said &quot;Eating Cows is Bad Kharma&quot; or &quot;Sunday Shoppers Defile the Sabbath. Repent Sinners,&quot; would that be equally denigrating?

Can you help me make sense of this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy- thanks, who knows where they went.  after 3 evaporated comments, I was getting slap-happy.</p>
<p>Priya- i see your point, yet I question whether calling something a sin is denigrating.  &#8230; as i type that, it sounds horrible&#8230; but hear me out.</p>
<p>what I am getting at is that, if that is someone&#8217;s belief, that&#8217;s their belief.  it&#8217;s not reality.  </p>
<p>if someone wore a shirt that said &#8220;Eating Cows is Bad Kharma&#8221; or &#8220;Sunday Shoppers Defile the Sabbath. Repent Sinners,&#8221; would that be equally denigrating?</p>
<p>Can you help me make sense of this?</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/11/04/27733/comment-page-1#comment-82354</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 13:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina said &quot;Priya &amp; Leo- help me out, I’m not an expert on free speech, but it’s not my understanding that acceptance/rejection or denigration are factors in freedom of speech.&quot;.

Tina free speech isn&#039;t a mandate of schools.  Schools routinely restrict free speech to ensure a safe effective learning environment.  So while a &quot;gayness is a sin&quot; t-shirt would be covered under free speech, a school is not obligated to allow such denigrating speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina said &#8220;Priya &amp; Leo- help me out, I’m not an expert on free speech, but it’s not my understanding that acceptance/rejection or denigration are factors in freedom of speech.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Tina free speech isn&#8217;t a mandate of schools.  Schools routinely restrict free speech to ensure a safe effective learning environment.  So while a &#8220;gayness is a sin&#8221; t-shirt would be covered under free speech, a school is not obligated to allow such denigrating speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/11/04/27733/comment-page-1#comment-82336</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 03:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tina,

I don&#039;t know why, but your comments with the link were caught in the spam filter.  I approved one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tina,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know why, but your comments with the link were caught in the spam filter.  I approved one.</p>
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		<title>By: Tina C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>alright, ignore the above comment.

I was trying to include a link (triggered the spam filter) to the ACLU&#039;s page on hate speech.

David &amp; gang- a shirt with &quot;Homosexuality is a Sin&quot;, as I understand it, would be covered under free speech.

I see nothing that excludes speech that is &quot;denigrating&quot; or &quot;rejecting&quot; from protection under the 1st Amendment.

Please correct me if I&#039;m mistaken.

My question:  what is it about a &quot;Homosexuality is a Sin&quot; shirt that wld be a problem?

Can you articulate that for me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>alright, ignore the above comment.</p>
<p>I was trying to include a link (triggered the spam filter) to the ACLU&#8217;s page on hate speech.</p>
<p>David &amp; gang- a shirt with &#8220;Homosexuality is a Sin&#8221;, as I understand it, would be covered under free speech.</p>
<p>I see nothing that excludes speech that is &#8220;denigrating&#8221; or &#8220;rejecting&#8221; from protection under the 1st Amendment.</p>
<p>Please correct me if I&#8217;m mistaken.</p>
<p>My question:  what is it about a &#8220;Homosexuality is a Sin&#8221; shirt that wld be a problem?</p>
<p>Can you articulate that for me?</p>
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		<title>By: Tina C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tina C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 02:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay, i&#039;ve tried to post 3 things after Leo&#039;s comment.  if, whoever&#039;s checking these (assuming they aren&#039;t flying off into the interweb ether) reads this...

just post one of them.  take your pick.

muchas gracias</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay, i&#8217;ve tried to post 3 things after Leo&#8217;s comment.  if, whoever&#8217;s checking these (assuming they aren&#8217;t flying off into the interweb ether) reads this&#8230;</p>
<p>just post one of them.  take your pick.</p>
<p>muchas gracias</p>
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		<title>By: tina</title>
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		<dc:creator>tina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 01:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To David and all,

It does work both ways.  That shirt would be covered under freedom of speech.

http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/hate-speech-campus

Priya &amp; Leo- help me out, I&#039;m not an expert on free speech, but it&#039;s not my understanding that acceptance/rejection or denigration are factors in freedom of speech.  (unless it&#039;s a one-on-one interaction that is taken as &quot;fighting words&quot;)

I&#039;m not trying to be a pain. I think it&#039;s important that we actually know the extent of our(and others&#039;)rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To David and all,</p>
<p>It does work both ways.  That shirt would be covered under freedom of speech.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/hate-speech-campus" rel="nofollow">http://www.aclu.org/free-speech/hate-speech-campus</a></p>
<p>Priya &amp; Leo- help me out, I&#8217;m not an expert on free speech, but it&#8217;s not my understanding that acceptance/rejection or denigration are factors in freedom of speech.  (unless it&#8217;s a one-on-one interaction that is taken as &#8220;fighting words&#8221;)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not trying to be a pain. I think it&#8217;s important that we actually know the extent of our(and others&#8217;)rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David in Houston:

Well a T-shirt advocating gay marriage is not denigrating or attacking anyone. Unless you&#039;re in that school of thought that believes any pro-gay statement is somehow, by it&#039;s very nature, a direct attack on others ie Christians. 

Implying that someone is a sinner is, ahem, pretty denigrating. 

If she wore a t-shirt that claimed that anyone who is opposed to gay marriage is an inbred bigot then that would be denigrating and not probably not appropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David in Houston:</p>
<p>Well a T-shirt advocating gay marriage is not denigrating or attacking anyone. Unless you&#8217;re in that school of thought that believes any pro-gay statement is somehow, by it&#8217;s very nature, a direct attack on others ie Christians. </p>
<p>Implying that someone is a sinner is, ahem, pretty denigrating. </p>
<p>If she wore a t-shirt that claimed that anyone who is opposed to gay marriage is an inbred bigot then that would be denigrating and not probably not appropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 15:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David, because the marriage t-shirt is a message of acceptance while the sin t-shirt is a message of rejection.  Its the same reason a school might allow a &quot;black is beautiful&quot; t-shirt and disallow a &quot;blacks are inferior&quot; t-shirt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David, because the marriage t-shirt is a message of acceptance while the sin t-shirt is a message of rejection.  Its the same reason a school might allow a &#8220;black is beautiful&#8221; t-shirt and disallow a &#8220;blacks are inferior&#8221; t-shirt.</p>
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		<title>By: David in Houston</title>
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		<dc:creator>David in Houston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 13:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To play devil&#039;s advocate here, if this t-shirt is allowed then why can&#039;t a student wear a t-shirt that reads, &quot;The bible says homosexuality is a sin.&quot;? If that&#039;s the student&#039;s belief, then why shouldn&#039;t they be allowed to wear it? Freedom of speech has to work both ways, otherwise it isn&#039;t freedom of speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To play devil&#8217;s advocate here, if this t-shirt is allowed then why can&#8217;t a student wear a t-shirt that reads, &#8220;The bible says homosexuality is a sin.&#8221;? If that&#8217;s the student&#8217;s belief, then why shouldn&#8217;t they be allowed to wear it? Freedom of speech has to work both ways, otherwise it isn&#8217;t freedom of speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Piper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Piper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2010 02:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dress codes can be stupid.  When I was in HS we weren&#039;t allowed to dye our hair colors that &quot;were not naturally found in hair&quot;.  Kate, I would definitely contact the ACLU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dress codes can be stupid.  When I was in HS we weren&#8217;t allowed to dye our hair colors that &#8220;were not naturally found in hair&#8221;.  Kate, I would definitely contact the ACLU.</p>
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