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	<title>Comments on: Poll: Is psychologist Jeff Gardere right about &#8220;worst nightmare&#8221;?</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 15:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristie you&#039;re my hero.</description>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 04:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a mom of two and since my kids were born I&#039;ve had a lot of &quot;worst nightmares&quot; that I worry about in regard to them. The list usually consists of things like them dying or being kidnapped or getting some horrible disease but nowhere on that list of &quot;possible horrible, nightmarish things that could happen to my kids&quot; is &quot;being gay&quot;! My kids are 16 &amp; 13 and I&#039;ve talked to them about their sexuality &amp; they know that if they do have questions  or realize that they&#039;re gay, that doesn&#039;t change the way I love them. It&#039;s just sad that there are people out there that think being gay would be the worst thing that could happen to their child!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a mom of two and since my kids were born I&#8217;ve had a lot of &#8220;worst nightmares&#8221; that I worry about in regard to them. The list usually consists of things like them dying or being kidnapped or getting some horrible disease but nowhere on that list of &#8220;possible horrible, nightmarish things that could happen to my kids&#8221; is &#8220;being gay&#8221;! My kids are 16 &amp; 13 and I&#8217;ve talked to them about their sexuality &amp; they know that if they do have questions  or realize that they&#8217;re gay, that doesn&#8217;t change the way I love them. It&#8217;s just sad that there are people out there that think being gay would be the worst thing that could happen to their child!</p>
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		<title>By: Kathleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 06:25:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gardere strikes me as a remarkably stupid and unthinking man.  So, knee-jerk bigotry of the sort demonstrated by the mothers in the school is &quot;natural&quot;?  

Surely, CNN can do better than to tout this ignorant attention-seeker as an &#039;expert&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gardere strikes me as a remarkably stupid and unthinking man.  So, knee-jerk bigotry of the sort demonstrated by the mothers in the school is &#8220;natural&#8221;?  </p>
<p>Surely, CNN can do better than to tout this ignorant attention-seeker as an &#8216;expert&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 19:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps as continuing education it would benefit Dr. Gardere to attend some PFLAG meetings and meet some parents for whom the world didn&#039;t end.

I read his apology over at GLAAD and accept it. 

I remember my own mother&#039;s reaction when I came out to her and remember it being about her and not about me. I think there is still a little truth in his original statement.

Pam Spaulding had a poll on her blog with &quot;Get off my lawn&quot; as an option. I like that one.

And FYI, American Morning runs from 6-9 am Eastern. Dr. Gardere was talking to Kiran Chetry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps as continuing education it would benefit Dr. Gardere to attend some PFLAG meetings and meet some parents for whom the world didn&#8217;t end.</p>
<p>I read his apology over at GLAAD and accept it. </p>
<p>I remember my own mother&#8217;s reaction when I came out to her and remember it being about her and not about me. I think there is still a little truth in his original statement.</p>
<p>Pam Spaulding had a poll on her blog with &#8220;Get off my lawn&#8221; as an option. I like that one.</p>
<p>And FYI, American Morning runs from 6-9 am Eastern. Dr. Gardere was talking to Kiran Chetry.</p>
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		<title>By: Meadowlark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Meadowlark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bothers me most about Dr. Gardere&#039;s pontifications is that he says the negative reaction of Moms A, B, and C is &quot;natural.&quot;  Put that together with his assumption that having a gay child is a parent&#039;s &quot;worst nightmare,&quot; and he seems to be implicitly giving parents permission to dread a gay or gender-nonconforming child.  It seems to me that this is a very unhealthy attitude to eocnourage in parents.  What&#039;s natural is for a parent to love, accept, and defend her child, just as Nerdy Apple Bottom is doing.  Parental rejection of gay children is NOT natural, it is cultural!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bothers me most about Dr. Gardere&#8217;s pontifications is that he says the negative reaction of Moms A, B, and C is &#8220;natural.&#8221;  Put that together with his assumption that having a gay child is a parent&#8217;s &#8220;worst nightmare,&#8221; and he seems to be implicitly giving parents permission to dread a gay or gender-nonconforming child.  It seems to me that this is a very unhealthy attitude to eocnourage in parents.  What&#8217;s natural is for a parent to love, accept, and defend her child, just as Nerdy Apple Bottom is doing.  Parental rejection of gay children is NOT natural, it is cultural!</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 17:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pffft!
  This Dr. is all of the above. After reading all the comments, I don&#039;t think this part of the equation was touched on. Or if so, barely.

  This tests the courage and commitment of the parents to do their damndest to protect and support their child, come what may.

  This discussion has been the same whether talking about mixed children from interracial couples, to the gay children of whoever.
  To speculation on the motives of parents who have crippling and painful genetic diseases who decide to have a child despite the warnings.

    Gay children, more than any others, is why the question: What about the children? Will loom, even before the child is born, the child is the one expected to carry the burden of their parent&#039;s cowardice.

   NerdyAppleBottom showed her courage that not all parents confronted with this issue will have.
She&#039;s rare, and she&#039;s public about the protection of her cub, come what may.

  The real deal is few parents are allowed or are given the tools, intellectual, emotional or moral, to prepare to deal with having a gay child.

 Indeed, the arrogance of themselves and their communities, assume they never WILL have a gay child, and if they do, to respond with the same hostility as an outside mob, rather than instinctual parental protection FROM that mob.
 Consider Clint McCance&#039;s statement what he&#039;d do to a gay child of his own.

     It might stand to reason, if a gay child has a physical sign of being gay, rather than it manifest after they&#039;ve bonded with their parent, they&#039;d have been left in the wild at birth to die.

   So it begs a bigger question why a parent would do the equivalent of that abandonment long after the fact of knowing their child and loving them?

 This is NEVER about the child, the adults hide behind that child so they won&#039;t have to examine their own moral cowardice.
This is about the PARENTS and whether they are willing to protect and give their child what they need whether they are gay or not.
After all, gay children DO have straight siblings.
They are expected to be different from each other, yet have the same parental love and guidance and support.

    Shame on those mothers A, B, and C that NAB described.
They are those parents whose own cowardice betrayed more than they might think.
And NAB showed them what she was willing to do AGAINST them. Something a lot of faith communities don&#039;t expect, but should.

 And I wish more parents of gay children were ferocious, determined and it wouldn&#039;t hurt for them to let it be known they might kill for the love and protection of their own.

If only.
   Because if the FAMILIES of gay people got behind them politically as well as socially, there would be a lot more to fight societal homophobia like NAB is doing while her son is still little.
She&#039;s not trying to wait until too late.
She&#039;s doing it NOW.
And more power to HER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pffft!<br />
  This Dr. is all of the above. After reading all the comments, I don&#8217;t think this part of the equation was touched on. Or if so, barely.</p>
<p>  This tests the courage and commitment of the parents to do their damndest to protect and support their child, come what may.</p>
<p>  This discussion has been the same whether talking about mixed children from interracial couples, to the gay children of whoever.<br />
  To speculation on the motives of parents who have crippling and painful genetic diseases who decide to have a child despite the warnings.</p>
<p>    Gay children, more than any others, is why the question: What about the children? Will loom, even before the child is born, the child is the one expected to carry the burden of their parent&#8217;s cowardice.</p>
<p>   NerdyAppleBottom showed her courage that not all parents confronted with this issue will have.<br />
She&#8217;s rare, and she&#8217;s public about the protection of her cub, come what may.</p>
<p>  The real deal is few parents are allowed or are given the tools, intellectual, emotional or moral, to prepare to deal with having a gay child.</p>
<p> Indeed, the arrogance of themselves and their communities, assume they never WILL have a gay child, and if they do, to respond with the same hostility as an outside mob, rather than instinctual parental protection FROM that mob.<br />
 Consider Clint McCance&#8217;s statement what he&#8217;d do to a gay child of his own.</p>
<p>     It might stand to reason, if a gay child has a physical sign of being gay, rather than it manifest after they&#8217;ve bonded with their parent, they&#8217;d have been left in the wild at birth to die.</p>
<p>   So it begs a bigger question why a parent would do the equivalent of that abandonment long after the fact of knowing their child and loving them?</p>
<p> This is NEVER about the child, the adults hide behind that child so they won&#8217;t have to examine their own moral cowardice.<br />
This is about the PARENTS and whether they are willing to protect and give their child what they need whether they are gay or not.<br />
After all, gay children DO have straight siblings.<br />
They are expected to be different from each other, yet have the same parental love and guidance and support.</p>
<p>    Shame on those mothers A, B, and C that NAB described.<br />
They are those parents whose own cowardice betrayed more than they might think.<br />
And NAB showed them what she was willing to do AGAINST them. Something a lot of faith communities don&#8217;t expect, but should.</p>
<p> And I wish more parents of gay children were ferocious, determined and it wouldn&#8217;t hurt for them to let it be known they might kill for the love and protection of their own.</p>
<p>If only.<br />
   Because if the FAMILIES of gay people got behind them politically as well as socially, there would be a lot more to fight societal homophobia like NAB is doing while her son is still little.<br />
She&#8217;s not trying to wait until too late.<br />
She&#8217;s doing it NOW.<br />
And more power to HER.</p>
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		<title>By: Donnchadh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donnchadh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My own worst nightmare for my possible children is that they&#039;ll turn out to be normal. I think my own parents are also glad that all my siblings have their own freakish quirks.
On the matter of bullying at school, my experience is that the excuse for it doesn&#039;t matter. There is a fixed amount of bullying going on and it will latch on to anything. (Bullying at my school rarely went further than taunting, but it was persistent and imaginative taunting.)
But what bugs me most here is that they describe it as a &quot;girl costume&quot;. How many girls dress like that? It&#039;s not a girl costume, it&#039;s a drag queen costume.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My own worst nightmare for my possible children is that they&#8217;ll turn out to be normal. I think my own parents are also glad that all my siblings have their own freakish quirks.<br />
On the matter of bullying at school, my experience is that the excuse for it doesn&#8217;t matter. There is a fixed amount of bullying going on and it will latch on to anything. (Bullying at my school rarely went further than taunting, but it was persistent and imaginative taunting.)<br />
But what bugs me most here is that they describe it as a &#8220;girl costume&#8221;. How many girls dress like that? It&#8217;s not a girl costume, it&#8217;s a drag queen costume.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We all know what we went through as kids, the self doubts, the bullying (is in many cases), the hurt of the coming out process, the fear of rejection, the bible abuse...So you can not tell me there are not parents out there praying God, make my child heterosexual&quot;.

Oh, sure a lot of parents want their child to be heterosexual but thinking that if their child was gay it&#039;d be their worst nightmare?  Get real, obviously not.  The vast majority of parents are going to have worst nightmares that are far, far more shattering than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We all know what we went through as kids, the self doubts, the bullying (is in many cases), the hurt of the coming out process, the fear of rejection, the bible abuse&#8230;So you can not tell me there are not parents out there praying God, make my child heterosexual&#8221;.</p>
<p>Oh, sure a lot of parents want their child to be heterosexual but thinking that if their child was gay it&#8217;d be their worst nightmare?  Get real, obviously not.  The vast majority of parents are going to have worst nightmares that are far, far more shattering than that.</p>
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		<title>By: bls</title>
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		<dc:creator>bls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:00:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why does everybody immediately think &quot;gay&quot; just because a boy dresses as a girl?  When girls dress as boys, nobody thinks anything of it.

Is this really so unthinkable?  It&#039;s all very misogynistic, really....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does everybody immediately think &#8220;gay&#8221; just because a boy dresses as a girl?  When girls dress as boys, nobody thinks anything of it.</p>
<p>Is this really so unthinkable?  It&#8217;s all very misogynistic, really&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 12:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The central point is everyone should want the child to grow to be a happy, well adjusted adult, whether he be gay or not.  And, met with acceptance instead of hatred, if he is gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The central point is everyone should want the child to grow to be a happy, well adjusted adult, whether he be gay or not.  And, met with acceptance instead of hatred, if he is gay.</p>
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