Okie dokie. You don’t have to believe that Servicemembers United is telling the truth. That’s your prerogative.

But, just for accuracy’s sake, Kirk actually did vote for the authorization bill with DADT included.

Obama and the Democrat leadership has shown us this past 2 years that they hold us in even lower regard by lying about supporting us only to stab us in the back. I despise that far more than I do open and honest “low regard” expressed to my face.

The conservative Democrats have long been a perfidious and obstructionist third party for twenty years as far as I am concerned, invariably sabotaging the moderate/liberal party. Obama has given them extraordinary, grotesquely undue, deference. They did help him win the nomination in 2008, though, because they feared Hillary Clinton on the general election ticket would lead to what we saw this election.

The conservative Democrats have- finally- been nearly annihilated in the U.S. House this election and lost a Senator too. The 2012 election likely will finish off the survivors in the House and take out most of the ones remaining in the U.S. Senate. (The Presidential year elections tend to reinforce what the previous midterms wrought.)

Grassroots partisan activists like me hated losing what political initiative Democrats had left on Tuesday. But frankly the voters did comprehensively vote out the crowd that was adamantly unwilling to go beyond the status quo. You don’t know what a relief is to us that the voters finally jettisoned them, and jettisoned them wholesale. For Democrats it’s a dumping of lots of loaded Trojan Horses over the castle walls. It’s the destruction of the Fifth Column the Republicans so enjoyed and exploited, and the voters so frustratingly and quite intentionally kept alive in the Democratic Party for so long.

It will be a while until the Party has become persuaded of the new reality. And some will cling to the old reality until the next elections intensify it.

Depending on where you are, voting Republican in ’12 might work to help kill off the obsolete and dying part of the Democrats. Or it might be a punishing of the wrong candidates for the sins of some other ones mostly already voted out.

Servicemembers United lobbied on this issue and they said that their vote count would have repealed DADT had Reid not played games.

Unless you have better information, I’ll go with what they have said.

Your anger at Obama is for the wrong reason. Obama deliberately set up what transpired, knowing full well a majority of the GOP would oppose repeal. Did he act as a leader and start repeal in 2009? No. Did he have the “study” taken care of in 2009 or at least be due by Spring 2010? No. Instead he deliberately fought efforts for repeal in Congress, as well as the courts, until so much outrage happened that his hand was forced. He made no effort to lobby Senators for repeal, nor did his staff. Instead he let a vote happen to appease the base, knowing it would fail. Who the hell holds a vote like this right before a midterm election? Who the hell schedules a study to be due long after the midterms are over – knowing full well the opposition party has a good chance of taking one or both Houses? No, however you wish to spin this the fault lies on Obama. I expected the overwhelming majority of the GOP to oppose this. I did not expect the whole effort to be sabotaged by Obama.

You’re “angry” at Obama so much you’re…voting for the very people who hold you in such low regard? How does that work, exactly? From a psychological perspective. I’m genuinely curious.

Actually I voted Independent this last time. I haven’t decided about 2012 yet but I’m damn tempted to vote Republican at the moment. While you are seeking to satisfy your curiosity from a psychological perspective about why I would vote for “the very people who hold you in such low regard”, you may wish to look in the mirror to start with. Obama and the Democrat leadership has shown us this past 2 years that they hold us in even lower regard by lying about supporting us only to stab us in the back. I despise that far more than I do open and honest “low regard” expressed to my face.

As I said before I’m not a progressive and never have been. I didn’t support Obamacare and would love to see it repealed. Whatever “leadership” you think Obama has shown on this issue even amongst many of those who do support a liberal approach to healthcare see this as a failure.

And I really admire your “I did’t get what I want so I’m going to screw over everyone I come across” attitude – real mature, talk about childish adults.

You want altruism? Join a monastery or nunnery and be my guest. Civil elections are all about “what’s in it for me?” as well as “what’s best for the country?”. As far as I’m concerned he has failed miserably on both, a view I can definitely say the majority of all American voters share with me.

There were Republican senators who were lined up to vote for the DADT repeal. They voted against taking up the bill not because of DADT, but because Reid was not going to allow any discussion or amendments on issues of importance to them in the defense appropriation.

Please recall: the vote not to take up the bill WAS NOT a vote on DADT.

Servicemembers United is laying blame for that vote not on the Republicans, but on Reid. It is totally his fault for DADT not being repealed, in their analysis.

And thank God for that. For too long our community has been either foolish or blind about the way the Democratic Party has offered lip service but no follow through. Maybe if that unqualified support ends (and it will with folks like Servicemembers United are unwilling to carry water), they will have to step up.