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	<title>Comments on: Bishop Robinson to Retire</title>
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		<title>By: Anthony Venn-Brown</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anthony Venn-Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2010 12:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there is always a price to pay on the front lines/fault line of change. Any time someone says its time for me to rest.....i understand. Gene has left an enormous legacy.....things will never be the same again.

thank you Gene.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is always a price to pay on the front lines/fault line of change. Any time someone says its time for me to rest&#8230;..i understand. Gene has left an enormous legacy&#8230;..things will never be the same again.</p>
<p>thank you Gene.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 21:27:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>over the decades I have known (gay) CoE priests of all cuts, from the intellectual and learned, to the sex crazed, to the evangelising.  The ones who were honest (and exceptionally able) never rose beyond jobbing priest, despite outstanding ability; the dissemblers did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>over the decades I have known (gay) CoE priests of all cuts, from the intellectual and learned, to the sex crazed, to the evangelising.  The ones who were honest (and exceptionally able) never rose beyond jobbing priest, despite outstanding ability; the dissemblers did.</p>
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		<title>By: e2c</title>
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		<dc:creator>e2c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Nov 2010 04:19:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish him well!

But in the body of your text... I feel it might be fairer (and more accurate) to say that he was/is the 1st &lt;i&gt;openly&lt;/i&gt; gay bishop in TEC. 

The Anglican Communion has a substantial number of gay clergy... the dotty vicar and the gay vicar (though not openly so) are staples of a number of mid-late 20th century English novels. (Anglo-Catholics tend to be the most satirized.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish him well!</p>
<p>But in the body of your text&#8230; I feel it might be fairer (and more accurate) to say that he was/is the 1st <i>openly</i> gay bishop in TEC. </p>
<p>The Anglican Communion has a substantial number of gay clergy&#8230; the dotty vicar and the gay vicar (though not openly so) are staples of a number of mid-late 20th century English novels. (Anglo-Catholics tend to be the most satirized.)</p>
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		<title>By: swampfox</title>
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		<dc:creator>swampfox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 23:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He may be retiring but his influence will remain.</description>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 20:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God has had his hand on the life of this man. Vicky Gene Robinson was not expected to see his first birthday. When he steps down in Jan 2013 he will be approaching his 66th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God has had his hand on the life of this man. Vicky Gene Robinson was not expected to see his first birthday. When he steps down in Jan 2013 he will be approaching his 66th.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 16:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frijondi:

Lovely post, great observations. Thanks.</description>
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<p>Lovely post, great observations. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Frijondi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frijondi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 06:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He will be missed.  Can&#039;t find a link to confirm this, but I remember hearing that during his consecration, there was an armored car nearby ready to whisk him to an undisclosed location in case of an assassination attempt, bomb scare, or similar.  According to what I heard, there were three bishops (the number required to consecrate another bishop) on stand-by at said location.  The plan was to complete the ceremony no matter what; once the Church decided to consecrate Gene Robinson, it was not going to allow anti-gay thugs to interfere with its self-governance.  (If anyone can confirm this story, I&#039;d be quite interested.)  In the videos of the ceremony, you can see all the bishops present (not just the required three) gathering around Robinson very closely; I have no doubt all of them realized they were potentially putting themselves in front of a bullet.

Because the Church stuck to its guns, so to speak, and Bp. Robinson was willing to endure those seven years of constant stress, remarkable things have been happening.  Grace Cathedral in San Francisco installed its new Dean, Jane Shaw, last night; she is both the first woman and the first openly gay person to hold this position. But the most heartening thing about this is that her being gay doesn&#039;t seem to have been an issue one way or the other.  People have been talking about her qualifications, and how happy they are to have found an outstanding replacement for Alan Jones, who was admired and loved by many.

The service was well-attended; I also noticed quite a few young people in the crowd.  Most parishes in the diocese seemed to be represented by at least one member of the clergy.  The clergy present were almost evenly divided between men and women, and fairly diverse in age and ethnicity.  The choir was in good voice, the sermon contained a couple of good jokes, and there was a long round of applause for the new Dean at the end.

I had some time to kill beforehand, so I took a long walk down Sacramento Street.  Tucked away near Divisadero, (just after that gay bar with the banana trees out front), there&#039;s one of those little schismatic 1928 Prayer Book chapels.  I&#039;d noticed it before, but had forgotten about it.  

These are the people who split off in the seventies over the ordination of women; nowadays, they advertise themselves more as the No Gay Priests brand.  They build aesthetically pleasing but tiny churches.  This one was, I noticed, not just small, but also an exceptionally narrow building.  I like pointy gothic architecture as much as the next person, but this seemed emblematic, somehow.  The place also looked strangely lifeless.  Not just not in use at the moment, and therefore locked, but absolutely and completely sterile.  I&#039;m biased, of course, but it really was striking.  

Back at the cathedral, the Church continued to go about its business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He will be missed.  Can&#8217;t find a link to confirm this, but I remember hearing that during his consecration, there was an armored car nearby ready to whisk him to an undisclosed location in case of an assassination attempt, bomb scare, or similar.  According to what I heard, there were three bishops (the number required to consecrate another bishop) on stand-by at said location.  The plan was to complete the ceremony no matter what; once the Church decided to consecrate Gene Robinson, it was not going to allow anti-gay thugs to interfere with its self-governance.  (If anyone can confirm this story, I&#8217;d be quite interested.)  In the videos of the ceremony, you can see all the bishops present (not just the required three) gathering around Robinson very closely; I have no doubt all of them realized they were potentially putting themselves in front of a bullet.</p>
<p>Because the Church stuck to its guns, so to speak, and Bp. Robinson was willing to endure those seven years of constant stress, remarkable things have been happening.  Grace Cathedral in San Francisco installed its new Dean, Jane Shaw, last night; she is both the first woman and the first openly gay person to hold this position. But the most heartening thing about this is that her being gay doesn&#8217;t seem to have been an issue one way or the other.  People have been talking about her qualifications, and how happy they are to have found an outstanding replacement for Alan Jones, who was admired and loved by many.</p>
<p>The service was well-attended; I also noticed quite a few young people in the crowd.  Most parishes in the diocese seemed to be represented by at least one member of the clergy.  The clergy present were almost evenly divided between men and women, and fairly diverse in age and ethnicity.  The choir was in good voice, the sermon contained a couple of good jokes, and there was a long round of applause for the new Dean at the end.</p>
<p>I had some time to kill beforehand, so I took a long walk down Sacramento Street.  Tucked away near Divisadero, (just after that gay bar with the banana trees out front), there&#8217;s one of those little schismatic 1928 Prayer Book chapels.  I&#8217;d noticed it before, but had forgotten about it.  </p>
<p>These are the people who split off in the seventies over the ordination of women; nowadays, they advertise themselves more as the No Gay Priests brand.  They build aesthetically pleasing but tiny churches.  This one was, I noticed, not just small, but also an exceptionally narrow building.  I like pointy gothic architecture as much as the next person, but this seemed emblematic, somehow.  The place also looked strangely lifeless.  Not just not in use at the moment, and therefore locked, but absolutely and completely sterile.  I&#8217;m biased, of course, but it really was striking.  </p>
<p>Back at the cathedral, the Church continued to go about its business.</p>
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		<title>By: Everett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Everett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2010 03:11:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry to hear Bishop Robinson will be retiring. I think he has spoken very movingly about gay and lesbian people in relation to spirituality and Christianity. I hope he will continue to do so after he retires. I do not think there is a better person out there, with such a high profile, who can bring the message of inclusiveness to Christian churches.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry to hear Bishop Robinson will be retiring. I think he has spoken very movingly about gay and lesbian people in relation to spirituality and Christianity. I hope he will continue to do so after he retires. I do not think there is a better person out there, with such a high profile, who can bring the message of inclusiveness to Christian churches.</p>
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		<title>By: AdrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 23:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it will be seen as a victory to GAFCON, and Lambeth Palace will feel some kind of relief.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it will be seen as a victory to GAFCON, and Lambeth Palace will feel some kind of relief.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 21:37:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Despite having left the church (PECUSA), I&#039;ve felt proud of the elements within it that can (among other positive behaviors) elect and consecrate gay bishops. It is a very strange feeling to hold.

I had no idea of the extent of the strain on Bp. Robinson. Bulletproof vests? Bodyguards? I sputter.

I can watch and discuss religion, but I want nothing to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Despite having left the church (PECUSA), I&#8217;ve felt proud of the elements within it that can (among other positive behaviors) elect and consecrate gay bishops. It is a very strange feeling to hold.</p>
<p>I had no idea of the extent of the strain on Bp. Robinson. Bulletproof vests? Bodyguards? I sputter.</p>
<p>I can watch and discuss religion, but I want nothing to do with it.</p>
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