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	<title>Comments on: Newsweek runs offensive puff piece on Brian Brown</title>
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		<title>By: Doug N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a surprising contribution from the hack also known for defending Arizona&#039;s racist SB 1070: http://blog.buzzflash.com/honors/332. Yuck! I don&#039;t read Newsweek, but I think I&#039;ll share my thoughts with them anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a surprising contribution from the hack also known for defending Arizona&#8217;s racist SB 1070: <a href="http://blog.buzzflash.com/honors/332" rel="nofollow">http://blog.buzzflash.com/honors/332</a>. Yuck! I don&#8217;t read Newsweek, but I think I&#8217;ll share my thoughts with them anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 03:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder how Newsweek fact-checked Brown&#039;s claim of a rapidly expanding budget.  Perhaps they had a fact checker look at NOM&#039;s form 990, which was due in at the beginning of June 2010.  

Oh, wait, they could not have done that because NOM has either failed to file its 990 or has failed to make its 990 available to the public. Either failure would be a violation of tax law, which you would think would bear some mention in the article, especially since NOM&#039;s 990 filing practices have been the focus of so much controversy.


Not to belabor the obvious on the &quot;who is winning&quot; question, but when the first of the 31 anti-marriage states voted on this issue, we would lose by 70-30, even in blue states like HI. In most of the 31, the anti-gay side didn&#039;t need to put on much of a campaign.  The anti-gay message sold itself.  

By 2006, you started to see the anti-gay side having to work for its victories, and those victories began to come in below 60%.  The last two battles required a vast effort in terms of money and human resources, and the anti-gay side won by 4 and 5 percent margins.  They had to rush their effort in ME to have their vote in a low turnout off-year election, fearing defeat if the vote took place in 2010.

That is not a winning trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder how Newsweek fact-checked Brown&#8217;s claim of a rapidly expanding budget.  Perhaps they had a fact checker look at NOM&#8217;s form 990, which was due in at the beginning of June 2010.  </p>
<p>Oh, wait, they could not have done that because NOM has either failed to file its 990 or has failed to make its 990 available to the public. Either failure would be a violation of tax law, which you would think would bear some mention in the article, especially since NOM&#8217;s 990 filing practices have been the focus of so much controversy.</p>
<p>Not to belabor the obvious on the &#8220;who is winning&#8221; question, but when the first of the 31 anti-marriage states voted on this issue, we would lose by 70-30, even in blue states like HI. In most of the 31, the anti-gay side didn&#8217;t need to put on much of a campaign.  The anti-gay message sold itself.  </p>
<p>By 2006, you started to see the anti-gay side having to work for its victories, and those victories began to come in below 60%.  The last two battles required a vast effort in terms of money and human resources, and the anti-gay side won by 4 and 5 percent margins.  They had to rush their effort in ME to have their vote in a low turnout off-year election, fearing defeat if the vote took place in 2010.</p>
<p>That is not a winning trend.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
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		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article stops Just Short Of telling the whole story about NOM defying State Campaign Law, and the Courts that have ruled against them.  
 
Winning by cheating is not a true win.

NOM acts unlawfully using unidentified funds.  

Newsweek left this very significant part out.

Let&#039;s drop them a note:

Letters@newsweek.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article stops Just Short Of telling the whole story about NOM defying State Campaign Law, and the Courts that have ruled against them.  </p>
<p>Winning by cheating is not a true win.</p>
<p>NOM acts unlawfully using unidentified funds.  </p>
<p>Newsweek left this very significant part out.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s drop them a note:</p>
<p><a href="mailto:Letters@newsweek.com">Letters@newsweek.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: EZam</title>
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		<dc:creator>EZam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m waiting for Newsweek or another mainstream-media outlet to publish a sympathetic article on a holocaust denier or a white supremacist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m waiting for Newsweek or another mainstream-media outlet to publish a sympathetic article on a holocaust denier or a white supremacist.</p>
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		<title>By: michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 08:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i wondered who the hell is this guy when i read headlines about him supposedly succeeding against our efforts to gain our rights in this country, it was like saying that some plumber guy suddenly fixed the plumbing and no one knew he was even in the building!? either way this man is covered in crap and it stinks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i wondered who the hell is this guy when i read headlines about him supposedly succeeding against our efforts to gain our rights in this country, it was like saying that some plumber guy suddenly fixed the plumbing and no one knew he was even in the building!? either way this man is covered in crap and it stinks!</p>
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		<title>By: justsearching</title>
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		<dc:creator>justsearching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Eve Conant had contacted Brian Brown at least twice before she wrote this most recent piece. She asked for his opinions here: http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html

In both pieces she quotes Brown at length. She quotes Brown when he says &quot;he received a call six months ago threatening that he would be &#039;strung up in a tree and lit on fire&#039; but that he’s not intimidated, he’s concerned for donors and supporters who get similar calls, of which he says the group has ample evidence.&quot; 

A short paragraph later she states:

&quot;The NOMexposed.com Project, Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese says, &#039;is a message to lawmakers saying that if you want NOM support, you are going to have to wear NOM support.&#039;&quot;

She&#039;s either unwittingly or intentionally supporting NOM&#039;s goal to out-martyr the gays.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Eve Conant had contacted Brian Brown at least twice before she wrote this most recent piece. She asked for his opinions here: <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html</a> <a href="http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.newsweek.com/2010/09/28/web-site-documents-nom-supporters.html</a></p>
<p>In both pieces she quotes Brown at length. She quotes Brown when he says &#8220;he received a call six months ago threatening that he would be &#8216;strung up in a tree and lit on fire&#8217; but that he’s not intimidated, he’s concerned for donors and supporters who get similar calls, of which he says the group has ample evidence.&#8221; </p>
<p>A short paragraph later she states:</p>
<p>&#8220;The NOMexposed.com Project, Human Rights Campaign president Joe Solmonese says, &#8216;is a message to lawmakers saying that if you want NOM support, you are going to have to wear NOM support.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p>She&#8217;s either unwittingly or intentionally supporting NOM&#8217;s goal to out-martyr the gays.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 03:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I’m tempted to conjecture that a lot of reporters have a certain contrarian streak that stems from either a desire to defy conventional wisdom or avoid the accusation of being part of “teh librull media.”&quot;

It&#039;s really simpler than that.  It&#039;s all about access to a controversial figure; no puff piece, no access.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I’m tempted to conjecture that a lot of reporters have a certain contrarian streak that stems from either a desire to defy conventional wisdom or avoid the accusation of being part of “teh librull media.”&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really simpler than that.  It&#8217;s all about access to a controversial figure; no puff piece, no access.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 00:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Timothy thought of this:

Using the Howard Univ. School of Law Civil Right Clinic amicus as a kind of checklist, send Eve Conant and her boss, Tina Brown, instances in which Brian&#039;s organization used the same descriptions and language as racists did to defeat the rights of African Americans.

For example: 

#1: Like same-sex parenting today, interracial parenting was once considered damaging to the physical and psychological health of children:

   Because of the fear that inter-racial unions were a danger to the children involved, courts sometimes used the threat of psychological damage to rationalize removing mixed-race children from their biological home.  See Randall Kennedy, Interracial Intimacies: Sex, Marriage, Identity, and Adoption 12 (2003).

NOM Position:

“Bans on interracial marriage were about keeping two races apart so that one race could oppress the other. Marriage is about bringing two sexes together, so that children get the love of their own mom and a dad, and women don’t get stuck with the enormous disadvantages of parenting alone.” “Having a parent of two different races is just not the same as being deprived of your mother—or your father.”   NOM Talking Points http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.4475595/k.566A/Marriage_Talking_Points.htm
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See what I mean? NOM complete fabricated an explanation about interracial marriage to *justify* using the same language to demonize same-sex marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Timothy thought of this:</p>
<p>Using the Howard Univ. School of Law Civil Right Clinic amicus as a kind of checklist, send Eve Conant and her boss, Tina Brown, instances in which Brian&#8217;s organization used the same descriptions and language as racists did to defeat the rights of African Americans.</p>
<p>For example: </p>
<p>#1: Like same-sex parenting today, interracial parenting was once considered damaging to the physical and psychological health of children:</p>
<p>   Because of the fear that inter-racial unions were a danger to the children involved, courts sometimes used the threat of psychological damage to rationalize removing mixed-race children from their biological home.  See Randall Kennedy, Interracial Intimacies: Sex, Marriage, Identity, and Adoption 12 (2003).</p>
<p>NOM Position:</p>
<p>“Bans on interracial marriage were about keeping two races apart so that one race could oppress the other. Marriage is about bringing two sexes together, so that children get the love of their own mom and a dad, and women don’t get stuck with the enormous disadvantages of parenting alone.” “Having a parent of two different races is just not the same as being deprived of your mother—or your father.”   NOM Talking Points <a href="http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.4475595/k.566A/Marriage_Talking_Points.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nationformarriage.org/site/c.omL2KeN0LzH/b.4475595/k.566A/Marriage_Talking_Points.htm</a><br />
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<p>See what I mean? NOM complete fabricated an explanation about interracial marriage to *justify* using the same language to demonize same-sex marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have used Newsweek for years in my classes. The quality of writing in the magazine varies so enormously between authors, even within a given piece, that it offers a very clear example of why consistent editorial policy is necessary to maintain competent journalistic standards.

Sometimes, there are Side A and Side B arguments - whether it is better to butter your waffles first then put on maple syrup or to put on syrup first and then butter them can be argued (preferably with considerable real world testing).

The positions which NOM takes are, however, not equal to the position which all rational doctors, psychiatric boards and, not incidentally, the US Constitution takes. This lack of balance is worse than sloppy journalism, it is a sign of biased reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have used Newsweek for years in my classes. The quality of writing in the magazine varies so enormously between authors, even within a given piece, that it offers a very clear example of why consistent editorial policy is necessary to maintain competent journalistic standards.</p>
<p>Sometimes, there are Side A and Side B arguments &#8211; whether it is better to butter your waffles first then put on maple syrup or to put on syrup first and then butter them can be argued (preferably with considerable real world testing).</p>
<p>The positions which NOM takes are, however, not equal to the position which all rational doctors, psychiatric boards and, not incidentally, the US Constitution takes. This lack of balance is worse than sloppy journalism, it is a sign of biased reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just FYI: Newsweek was bought for $1 by Sidney Harman, 91, (of Harman Kardan) and merged with The Daily Beast (Barry Diller). The magazine&#039;s website will close, and Tina Brown will edit the physical product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just FYI: Newsweek was bought for $1 by Sidney Harman, 91, (of Harman Kardan) and merged with The Daily Beast (Barry Diller). The magazine&#8217;s website will close, and Tina Brown will edit the physical product.</p>
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