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	<title>Comments on: Australia&#8217;s marriage movement</title>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/11/15/27946/comment-page-1#comment-83371</link>
		<dc:creator>Lorenzo from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 01:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark F: the ALP is very strict about requiring MPs to support Party policy. Julia Gillard is PM because she is ALP Leader, so she is duty-bound to support the current platform. As the head of a minority Government, she has enough problems without publicly playing fast and loose with basic ALP rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark F: the ALP is very strict about requiring MPs to support Party policy. Julia Gillard is PM because she is ALP Leader, so she is duty-bound to support the current platform. As the head of a minority Government, she has enough problems without publicly playing fast and loose with basic ALP rules.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Nov 2010 02:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that P.M. Gillard is an open atheist, so she obviously doesn&#039;t believe in the religion based anti-gay arguments. Either she is a bigot or a rank political opportunist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that P.M. Gillard is an open atheist, so she obviously doesn&#8217;t believe in the religion based anti-gay arguments. Either she is a bigot or a rank political opportunist.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 18:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the feedback from our Aussie readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the feedback from our Aussie readers.</p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:44:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s that campaign from GetUp! which has had tens of thousands involved http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/1369&amp;id=1460</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s that campaign from GetUp! which has had tens of thousands involved <a href="http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/1369&#038;id=1460" rel="nofollow">http://www.getup.org.au/campaign/1369&#038;id=1460</a></p>
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		<title>By: paul canning</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul canning</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The absolute best person to read on the situation is the leading Aussie activist Rodney Croome http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/weblog.php

He is very optimistic that a &#039;tipping point&#039; has been reached but believes they&#039;ll be one big godalmighty pushback from the religious right, especially the Catholic Church, which does have clout in Oz. He reports today that the Oz equivalent of MoveOn is running a campaign, which is an enormous help with yesterday&#039;s development.

Labor definitely lost votes on this issue to the Greens at the last election, including their first lower house seat. It almost lost three others, all &#039;metropolitan&#039; inner city seats. Arbib&#039;s move is partly doing the right thing - his comments related to his children, nicely positioning this as a &#039;family issue&#039; - but are also a political calculation aimed at winning back some of those lost votes.

Gillard&#039;s position is simply that Labor conference has to decide. At the last one marriage was narrowly lost and it seems likely that at the next one it will win. I don&#039;t think your characterisation of it as a left-right issue in Labor is correct. The Labor opposition is largely from Catholic MPs. There are also a number of opposition (conservative) MPs in support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The absolute best person to read on the situation is the leading Aussie activist Rodney Croome <a href="http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/weblog.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.rodneycroome.id.au/weblog.php</a></p>
<p>He is very optimistic that a &#8216;tipping point&#8217; has been reached but believes they&#8217;ll be one big godalmighty pushback from the religious right, especially the Catholic Church, which does have clout in Oz. He reports today that the Oz equivalent of MoveOn is running a campaign, which is an enormous help with yesterday&#8217;s development.</p>
<p>Labor definitely lost votes on this issue to the Greens at the last election, including their first lower house seat. It almost lost three others, all &#8216;metropolitan&#8217; inner city seats. Arbib&#8217;s move is partly doing the right thing &#8211; his comments related to his children, nicely positioning this as a &#8216;family issue&#8217; &#8211; but are also a political calculation aimed at winning back some of those lost votes.</p>
<p>Gillard&#8217;s position is simply that Labor conference has to decide. At the last one marriage was narrowly lost and it seems likely that at the next one it will win. I don&#8217;t think your characterisation of it as a left-right issue in Labor is correct. The Labor opposition is largely from Catholic MPs. There are also a number of opposition (conservative) MPs in support.</p>
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		<title>By: Other Fred in the UK</title>
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		<dc:creator>Other Fred in the UK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 07:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If memory serves, same-sex marriage was turn into a partisan issue by John Howard, imitating the success of the U.S. Republicans in using it as a &#039;wedge issue&#039;. I suspect advocates in Australia would be wise to try to remove that partisan nature of the debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If memory serves, same-sex marriage was turn into a partisan issue by John Howard, imitating the success of the U.S. Republicans in using it as a &#8216;wedge issue&#8217;. I suspect advocates in Australia would be wise to try to remove that partisan nature of the debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Commonwealth = Federal (as in the Federal Government of the Commonwealth of Australia), just to clarify my previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Commonwealth = Federal (as in the Federal Government of the Commonwealth of Australia), just to clarify my previous comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lorenzo from Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lorenzo from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent summary.

Marriage is a Commonwealth responsibility according to the Australian Constitution and Commonwealth power trumps State power in its areas of constitutional competence. The States control all other aspects of family law, however. So the proposed legal strategy has all sorts of fascinating constitutional wrinkles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent summary.</p>
<p>Marriage is a Commonwealth responsibility according to the Australian Constitution and Commonwealth power trumps State power in its areas of constitutional competence. The States control all other aspects of family law, however. So the proposed legal strategy has all sorts of fascinating constitutional wrinkles.</p>
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		<title>By: Aussie Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aussie Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 06:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great summary of the current events down under. There appears to be enough support from individual members of parliament but unless parties allow a conscience vote or change their policy it won&#039;t happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great summary of the current events down under. There appears to be enough support from individual members of parliament but unless parties allow a conscience vote or change their policy it won&#8217;t happen.</p>
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