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	<title>Comments on: GOProud&#8217;s Tammy Bruce maligns West Hollywood</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 15:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve,

You referenced a 2001 article in which a straight woman in Texas claims that &quot;they&quot; call themselves &quot;fags&quot; in Southern California.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve,</p>
<p>You referenced a 2001 article in which a straight woman in Texas claims that &#8220;they&#8221; call themselves &#8220;fags&#8221; in Southern California.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;“I felt it was harsh myself. I’m from Southern California, and in Southern California they refer to themselves as fags….&quot;

http://www.texasobserver.org/224-political-intelligence/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“I felt it was harsh myself. I’m from Southern California, and in Southern California they refer to themselves as fags….&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.texasobserver.org/224-political-intelligence/" rel="nofollow">http://www.texasobserver.org/224-political-intelligence/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Nov 2010 14:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I haven&#039;t, unfortunately, been to West Hollywood lately, but here in San Francisco Bay Area I NEVER hear gay men refer to themselves or one another with the f word.  So Tammy Bruce is full of it.  Okay, maybe she&#039;s remembering back to a FEW YEARS in the late 1970s when a minority of gay men are supposed to have referred to themselves proudly as such (like Chas in John Rechy&#039;s book Rushes) but I don&#039;t remember hearing it even then.  What&#039;s happening here is that Tammy Bruce is defending Sarah Palin, and trying to turn her defense into an attack against anyone in the LGB community who is to the left of Genghis Khan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#8217;t, unfortunately, been to West Hollywood lately, but here in San Francisco Bay Area I NEVER hear gay men refer to themselves or one another with the f word.  So Tammy Bruce is full of it.  Okay, maybe she&#8217;s remembering back to a FEW YEARS in the late 1970s when a minority of gay men are supposed to have referred to themselves proudly as such (like Chas in John Rechy&#8217;s book Rushes) but I don&#8217;t remember hearing it even then.  What&#8217;s happening here is that Tammy Bruce is defending Sarah Palin, and trying to turn her defense into an attack against anyone in the LGB community who is to the left of Genghis Khan.</p>
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		<title>By: truthreller</title>
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		<dc:creator>truthreller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 23:12:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy,

I&#039;m glad you put a stop to people calling men by female names or pronouns on this site, because, in my view, it denigrates both men and women. 

It denigrates women because its roots are misogynistic and it reinforces the &quot;inferiority&quot; of women. 

It denigrates men because it imposes a false-self on men and reinforces the idea that men cannot be whole if they love another man and therefore he must be demoted; &quot;inferior&quot; like a woman.

I think this is a misogynistic under-the-radar way of reinforcing the idea that gay men are defective.  This, in my opinion, leads to psyche harm that contributes to  self-destructive habits and actions in the part of gay men who don&#039;t feel whole and worthy as they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you put a stop to people calling men by female names or pronouns on this site, because, in my view, it denigrates both men and women. </p>
<p>It denigrates women because its roots are misogynistic and it reinforces the &#8220;inferiority&#8221; of women. </p>
<p>It denigrates men because it imposes a false-self on men and reinforces the idea that men cannot be whole if they love another man and therefore he must be demoted; &#8220;inferior&#8221; like a woman.</p>
<p>I think this is a misogynistic under-the-radar way of reinforcing the idea that gay men are defective.  This, in my opinion, leads to psyche harm that contributes to  self-destructive habits and actions in the part of gay men who don&#8217;t feel whole and worthy as they are.</p>
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		<title>By: Amicus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow.

Willow&#039;s usage is plainly - plainly - deprecatory, linking &quot;disgusting&quot; with &quot;so gay&quot; and &quot;faggot&quot;.

And, from time to time, one does hear that word, &quot;faggot&quot; inside the community, more often than not it is with the same deprecatory usage.  And, therefore, ugly.

So, it really, really doesn&#039;t matter what Tammy Bruce said.  We&#039;d concur that the most frequent usage is deprecatory.

There are some people who do use it to pretend that it has been &quot;reclaimed&quot;.  I have to say, those usages fall hard on the ear, still, for me.  It&#039;s like it&#039;s forced.  Like a little kid saying &quot;dick&quot; or &quot;twat&quot; for the first time.

I&#039;ve never heard &quot;faggot&quot; used in a playful manner or as a term of endearment.  Never.  I can think of only a few instances where I&#039;ve seen it used as a badge of solidarity (unwisely, I think, but ...).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>Willow&#8217;s usage is plainly &#8211; plainly &#8211; deprecatory, linking &#8220;disgusting&#8221; with &#8220;so gay&#8221; and &#8220;faggot&#8221;.</p>
<p>And, from time to time, one does hear that word, &#8220;faggot&#8221; inside the community, more often than not it is with the same deprecatory usage.  And, therefore, ugly.</p>
<p>So, it really, really doesn&#8217;t matter what Tammy Bruce said.  We&#8217;d concur that the most frequent usage is deprecatory.</p>
<p>There are some people who do use it to pretend that it has been &#8220;reclaimed&#8221;.  I have to say, those usages fall hard on the ear, still, for me.  It&#8217;s like it&#8217;s forced.  Like a little kid saying &#8220;dick&#8221; or &#8220;twat&#8221; for the first time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never heard &#8220;faggot&#8221; used in a playful manner or as a term of endearment.  Never.  I can think of only a few instances where I&#8217;ve seen it used as a badge of solidarity (unwisely, I think, but &#8230;).</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Point of information:  what does &quot;Miss Tu&quot; reference and why is this considered to be derogatory?  This is the first I&#039;ve ever seen that phrase.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Point of information:  what does &#8220;Miss Tu&#8221; reference and why is this considered to be derogatory?  This is the first I&#8217;ve ever seen that phrase.  Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 22:07:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, nice &quot;I know you are, but what am I?&quot; Spartann.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL, nice &#8220;I know you are, but what am I?&#8221; Spartann.</p>
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		<title>By: Spartann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spartann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>to Jimmy....

Talk about a &quot;woe-is-me&quot; kind of clique and their ideology, have you read more than just a few of the comments posted on this or any other gay discussion website??? My friend you won&#039;t find a better example of  the &quot;us-against-them&quot; corps anywhere else on the net.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to Jimmy&#8230;.</p>
<p>Talk about a &#8220;woe-is-me&#8221; kind of clique and their ideology, have you read more than just a few of the comments posted on this or any other gay discussion website??? My friend you won&#8217;t find a better example of  the &#8220;us-against-them&#8221; corps anywhere else on the net.</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jimmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 20:56:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it about intent? Context is everything and the way things are said is important to consider. 

As to Ms. Bruce, she always seems so negative and steeped in victimization, a common trait among her cadre of ideological conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it about intent? Context is everything and the way things are said is important to consider. </p>
<p>As to Ms. Bruce, she always seems so negative and steeped in victimization, a common trait among her cadre of ideological conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Nov 2010 19:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guessing Spartann isn&#039;t a parent. 

When I was a child my mother warned me that she would beat the white off my backside if I ever used the n-word or if I ever entered a segregated business. That lesson stuck and I applied it with my own child, not merely on the issue of race but also with respect to gay people. I&#039;m *certain* my daughter never used anti-anyone slurs. In fact, when I read the mounds of research on gay and lesbian parenting and found out that one of the more remarkable outcomes was that the children of gays are remarkably accepting of diversity, it certainly rang true for me as a parent. That was the *real* difference I could see in my own kid. She was/is always respectful in her language and behavior towards others. I don&#039;t know why other parents can&#039;t seem to produce that same kind of temperament in their own kids. All I know is that my mother took deliberate steps to produce it in me and my siblings and that we, in turn, were able to produce that kind of respect in our own kids. Yeah, we &quot;managed&quot; it. It works.  I had to &quot;manage&quot; as a public school teacher. It works there, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guessing Spartann isn&#8217;t a parent. </p>
<p>When I was a child my mother warned me that she would beat the white off my backside if I ever used the n-word or if I ever entered a segregated business. That lesson stuck and I applied it with my own child, not merely on the issue of race but also with respect to gay people. I&#8217;m *certain* my daughter never used anti-anyone slurs. In fact, when I read the mounds of research on gay and lesbian parenting and found out that one of the more remarkable outcomes was that the children of gays are remarkably accepting of diversity, it certainly rang true for me as a parent. That was the *real* difference I could see in my own kid. She was/is always respectful in her language and behavior towards others. I don&#8217;t know why other parents can&#8217;t seem to produce that same kind of temperament in their own kids. All I know is that my mother took deliberate steps to produce it in me and my siblings and that we, in turn, were able to produce that kind of respect in our own kids. Yeah, we &#8220;managed&#8221; it. It works.  I had to &#8220;manage&#8221; as a public school teacher. It works there, too.</p>
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