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	<title>Comments on: Illinois House approves Civil Unions!!</title>
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		<title>By: ravenbiker</title>
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		<dc:creator>ravenbiker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 19:05:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Equal but separate? &quot;Civil Unions:&quot; and not &quot;marriage?&quot;

No such thing.  It&#039;s a contradiction.  IT&#039;S STUPID!

I don&#039;t see the point in celebrating apartheid in any form.  Next they&#039;ll conjure up a separate tax bracket for us as well as separate water fountains to drink from.  

I would vote for ALL marriages to be CIVIL UNONS ---as it should be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Equal but separate? &#8220;Civil Unions:&#8221; and not &#8220;marriage?&#8221;</p>
<p>No such thing.  It&#8217;s a contradiction.  IT&#8217;S STUPID!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the point in celebrating apartheid in any form.  Next they&#8217;ll conjure up a separate tax bracket for us as well as separate water fountains to drink from.  </p>
<p>I would vote for ALL marriages to be CIVIL UNONS &#8212;as it should be.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for posting this, thank you to the representatives in Illinois who got the bill this far, thank you everyone who wrote/called/worked to change minds and get those 61 votes. I have seen so much sad news, two-steps-back stories, here and elsewhere in the news that I was starting to wonder if I would EVER see something positive for human rights in this country. Thank you for restoring a bit of my faith in American government, and in the capacity of people to do the right thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for posting this, thank you to the representatives in Illinois who got the bill this far, thank you everyone who wrote/called/worked to change minds and get those 61 votes. I have seen so much sad news, two-steps-back stories, here and elsewhere in the news that I was starting to wonder if I would EVER see something positive for human rights in this country. Thank you for restoring a bit of my faith in American government, and in the capacity of people to do the right thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 17:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a resident of Illinois i&#039;ll remind folks that this isn&#039;t a done deal yet.  It ain&#039;t over till Governor Quinn signs it.  It still has to get through the Senate, too.

It&#039;s very likely it will make it through the Senate and Quinn has repeatedly promised to sign it, but I&#039;m going to reserve my pom poms for when the ink is dry :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a resident of Illinois i&#8217;ll remind folks that this isn&#8217;t a done deal yet.  It ain&#8217;t over till Governor Quinn signs it.  It still has to get through the Senate, too.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very likely it will make it through the Senate and Quinn has repeatedly promised to sign it, but I&#8217;m going to reserve my pom poms for when the ink is dry :)</p>
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		<title>By: AMPGlass</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMPGlass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 16:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it&#039;s a step towards progress. Of course, all of the Christians and conservatives are up in arms and yelling at people on the facebook page of a local news station. (The southern half Illinois sucks.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it&#8217;s a step towards progress. Of course, all of the Christians and conservatives are up in arms and yelling at people on the facebook page of a local news station. (The southern half Illinois sucks.)</p>
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		<title>By: anteros</title>
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		<dc:creator>anteros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 15:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>progress :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progress :-)</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 08:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living in a country half the year where my husband and I are legally married, with all the rights and responsibilities of heterosexuals who are married, it does seem a slap in the face to be subjected to &quot;different but equal&quot;.
At the same time, we are in a wa r and you fight your battles to win, not to lose.
History has shown that civil unions lead to successful marriage laws. It is not my prefered path, but I&#039;m in this to win, not to lose.

So, no - half a loaf isn&#039;t a whole loaf, but the no-compromise, my-way-or-the-highway position which causes so many liberals to sit home on their hands while our e nemies are out voting is not productive.

Or is there really no difference between Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Living in a country half the year where my husband and I are legally married, with all the rights and responsibilities of heterosexuals who are married, it does seem a slap in the face to be subjected to &#8220;different but equal&#8221;.<br />
At the same time, we are in a wa r and you fight your battles to win, not to lose.<br />
History has shown that civil unions lead to successful marriage laws. It is not my prefered path, but I&#8217;m in this to win, not to lose.</p>
<p>So, no &#8211; half a loaf isn&#8217;t a whole loaf, but the no-compromise, my-way-or-the-highway position which causes so many liberals to sit home on their hands while our e nemies are out voting is not productive.</p>
<p>Or is there really no difference between Nancy Pelosi and John Boehner?</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 05:29:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Porno Pete lives in Naperville, not Aurora.  Other than Porno Pete&#039;s residence there, Naperville is a nice place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Porno Pete lives in Naperville, not Aurora.  Other than Porno Pete&#8217;s residence there, Naperville is a nice place.</p>
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		<title>By: Simpa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simpa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 04:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindoro, you don&#039;t know what you are talking about.  CUs are 95% of the loaf.  It isn&#039;t enough, and we will not settle for less than full marriage.  But CUs actually help tremendously in that effort.  CUs are a trial run for marriage.  In every state that has had them, support for marriage has materially increased. 

NOM and FRC grumbled last year about the Vermont legislature&#039;s adoption of full marriage; they complained that the legislature&#039;s support for marriage had been &quot;conditioned&quot; by court-mandated CUs. 

NOM and FRC were right.  CUs served as a trial run and did condition the VT legislature to support full marriage, because in 10 years of CUs none of the supposed consequences that feature in NOM&#039;s hysterical ads ever arose.  Expect the same outcome in IL in 5 years.  

In the meantime, we can enjoy the fact that the 5th largest state in the country now gives us marriage in all but name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindoro, you don&#8217;t know what you are talking about.  CUs are 95% of the loaf.  It isn&#8217;t enough, and we will not settle for less than full marriage.  But CUs actually help tremendously in that effort.  CUs are a trial run for marriage.  In every state that has had them, support for marriage has materially increased. </p>
<p>NOM and FRC grumbled last year about the Vermont legislature&#8217;s adoption of full marriage; they complained that the legislature&#8217;s support for marriage had been &#8220;conditioned&#8221; by court-mandated CUs. </p>
<p>NOM and FRC were right.  CUs served as a trial run and did condition the VT legislature to support full marriage, because in 10 years of CUs none of the supposed consequences that feature in NOM&#8217;s hysterical ads ever arose.  Expect the same outcome in IL in 5 years.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, we can enjoy the fact that the 5th largest state in the country now gives us marriage in all but name.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:53:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll gladly take this ad keep pushing for more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll gladly take this ad keep pushing for more.</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bernie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 02:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I&#039;ll take my friends offer to move to Chicago.

I bet you that Porno Pete packs his bags and leaves Aurora! Ha, take that, Petey!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;ll take my friends offer to move to Chicago.</p>
<p>I bet you that Porno Pete packs his bags and leaves Aurora! Ha, take that, Petey!</p>
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