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	<title>Comments on: McCain Joins FRC Against DADT Repeal &#8211; The Politics of Slander Are Now His Values</title>
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		<title>By: AdrianT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AdrianT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 08:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Be consistent in not trusting what you read on an FRC site. 

Just like everything else they say, it seems the story about the collaboration with McCain is based on nothing but wishful thinking!  

FRC always ceases to amaze me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be consistent in not trusting what you read on an FRC site. </p>
<p>Just like everything else they say, it seems the story about the collaboration with McCain is based on nothing but wishful thinking!  </p>
<p>FRC always ceases to amaze me.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Mongeau</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Mongeau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 20:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This report suggests that FRC and Tony Perkins were lying about McCain&#039;s joining up with their camp:

&quot;Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and others will be working with FRC to put a strict evaluation process in place&quot;...

But a McCain source tells us that&#039;s just not true, noting that &quot;the law has been changed,&quot; and that&#039;s that. 

http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/frc_claims_mccain_will_keep_leading_pro-dadt_fight.php

Not that I&#039;m a McCain supporter at all, but seems even he doesn&#039;t want association with a hate group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This report suggests that FRC and Tony Perkins were lying about McCain&#8217;s joining up with their camp:</p>
<p>&#8220;Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and others will be working with FRC to put a strict evaluation process in place&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>But a McCain source tells us that&#8217;s just not true, noting that &#8220;the law has been changed,&#8221; and that&#8217;s that. </p>
<p><a href="http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/frc_claims_mccain_will_keep_leading_pro-dadt_fight.php" rel="nofollow">http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/frc_claims_mccain_will_keep_leading_pro-dadt_fight.php</a></p>
<p>Not that I&#8217;m a McCain supporter at all, but seems even he doesn&#8217;t want association with a hate group.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Titus, the religious right are already a problem in the military.  All you have to do is to read the newspapers and look online to see that they have infiltrated the highest levels and even the WH (don&#039;t forget that &quot;gawd is in the mix).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Titus, the religious right are already a problem in the military.  All you have to do is to read the newspapers and look online to see that they have infiltrated the highest levels and even the WH (don&#8217;t forget that &#8220;gawd is in the mix).</p>
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		<title>By: Titus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Titus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that the Religious Right is going to try and *generate* problems in the military.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that the Religious Right is going to try and *generate* problems in the military.</p>
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		<title>By: justsearching</title>
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		<dc:creator>justsearching</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One way to do that is demanding specific measurables–like tracking the sexual assaults, dips in recruitment and retention, combat distractions, and more.&quot;

Yeah... as if sexual harassment is currently not a part of the US armed forces. ( http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23636487/ns/us_news-military/ ) Roughly 1/3 of women serving have been sexually harassed. The figure for men is around 6%. My guess is that a woman is fair game for some rowdy men, but a guy being too forward to another guy would be utterly unacceptable. Any form of sexual harassment from anyone of any sexual orientation against anyone else is unacceptable, but I feel that there will be a double standard on this issue. 

As for recruitment and retention, I have a feeling that in the services will quit and give whiny interviews to sites like WND or drudgereport saying how their strong Christian faith prevents them from serving in the forces anymore. Overall, I doubt it will have much an effect on recruitment or retention. And if we lose or don&#039;t obtain individuals who can&#039;t adapt to new circumstances, so be it.

As for combat distractions... what are they looking for? Reports from men on the front lines saying that the dude next to them was hitting on them in the midst of combat?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One way to do that is demanding specific measurables–like tracking the sexual assaults, dips in recruitment and retention, combat distractions, and more.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah&#8230; as if sexual harassment is currently not a part of the US armed forces. ( <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23636487/ns/us_news-military/" rel="nofollow">http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23636487/ns/us_news-military/</a> ) Roughly 1/3 of women serving have been sexually harassed. The figure for men is around 6%. My guess is that a woman is fair game for some rowdy men, but a guy being too forward to another guy would be utterly unacceptable. Any form of sexual harassment from anyone of any sexual orientation against anyone else is unacceptable, but I feel that there will be a double standard on this issue. </p>
<p>As for recruitment and retention, I have a feeling that in the services will quit and give whiny interviews to sites like WND or drudgereport saying how their strong Christian faith prevents them from serving in the forces anymore. Overall, I doubt it will have much an effect on recruitment or retention. And if we lose or don&#8217;t obtain individuals who can&#8217;t adapt to new circumstances, so be it.</p>
<p>As for combat distractions&#8230; what are they looking for? Reports from men on the front lines saying that the dude next to them was hitting on them in the midst of combat?</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert Byrd was at least somewhat useful (Well, to people in WV anyway) and was known for having principles occasionally. I think John McCain is simply a bitter, vengeful old man who hasn&#039;t gotten over losing the presidential election in &#039;08.

Why he keeps throwing in with the same religious nuts that lost him the election, I don&#039;t know. I might even have voted for him except for who his VP pick was. 

I could not see voting for an old guy who (by election night) looked like he might keel over at any moment, not with Sarah waiting in the wings. That just did not seem like a wise decision, and I think his behavior since has shown a lot of other reasons why it wouldn&#039;t have been.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert Byrd was at least somewhat useful (Well, to people in WV anyway) and was known for having principles occasionally. I think John McCain is simply a bitter, vengeful old man who hasn&#8217;t gotten over losing the presidential election in &#8217;08.</p>
<p>Why he keeps throwing in with the same religious nuts that lost him the election, I don&#8217;t know. I might even have voted for him except for who his VP pick was. </p>
<p>I could not see voting for an old guy who (by election night) looked like he might keel over at any moment, not with Sarah waiting in the wings. That just did not seem like a wise decision, and I think his behavior since has shown a lot of other reasons why it wouldn&#8217;t have been.</p>
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		<title>By: jpeckjr</title>
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		<dc:creator>jpeckjr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:30:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain now cuddles up to the smearmongers because he lost in South Carolina in 2000.  He thought changing his approach would help him win, and it did in 2010 in Arizona.  By 2016, when he runs again, he&#039;ll be 84, I believe, not too old to be re-elected though.  Can anyone say Robert Byrd?

As to Tony Perkins&#039; assurances to his constituency, that is all about raising money.  I&#039;m sure his &quot;we&#039;re going to be monitoring the situation&quot; was followed with &quot;we can&#039;t do it without your money.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain now cuddles up to the smearmongers because he lost in South Carolina in 2000.  He thought changing his approach would help him win, and it did in 2010 in Arizona.  By 2016, when he runs again, he&#8217;ll be 84, I believe, not too old to be re-elected though.  Can anyone say Robert Byrd?</p>
<p>As to Tony Perkins&#8217; assurances to his constituency, that is all about raising money.  I&#8217;m sure his &#8220;we&#8217;re going to be monitoring the situation&#8221; was followed with &#8220;we can&#8217;t do it without your money.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 14:03:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I think John McCain might just be too senile to remember where his office is by 2017.

Since he lost the election in &#039;08 he&#039;s done nothing but make an ass of himself. It was his good fortune that the Republicans in Arizona put up someone even less electable than him in the primaries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I think John McCain might just be too senile to remember where his office is by 2017.</p>
<p>Since he lost the election in &#8217;08 he&#8217;s done nothing but make an ass of himself. It was his good fortune that the Republicans in Arizona put up someone even less electable than him in the primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 12:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bernie: &quot;And as far as McCain goes, his electability is done for. He doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell.&quot;

What planet do you inhabit? One where people are actually sane?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bernie: &#8220;And as far as McCain goes, his electability is done for. He doesn’t have a snowball’s chance in Hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>What planet do you inhabit? One where people are actually sane?</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Dec 2010 10:30:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain ever expected “the leadership of the military” to come out in favor of repeal. He got cover   blaming the military leadership. The first ‘reasonable’ DADT position was purely political during a campaign. He never wanted repeal in the first place. He came out against the Christianists when it was politically to his advantage.

McCain’s actions and positions have always about McCain. We bought the ‘maverick’ nonsense, we have the problem. Because we didn’t like Goldwater, we didn’t take seriously Goldwater’s distain for this political opportunist.

As for his re-election prospects, he will say anything necessary to win and go all mavericky again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain ever expected “the leadership of the military” to come out in favor of repeal. He got cover   blaming the military leadership. The first ‘reasonable’ DADT position was purely political during a campaign. He never wanted repeal in the first place. He came out against the Christianists when it was politically to his advantage.</p>
<p>McCain’s actions and positions have always about McCain. We bought the ‘maverick’ nonsense, we have the problem. Because we didn’t like Goldwater, we didn’t take seriously Goldwater’s distain for this political opportunist.</p>
<p>As for his re-election prospects, he will say anything necessary to win and go all mavericky again.</p>
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