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	<title>Comments on: Another Utah county passes non-discrimination ordinance</title>
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		<title>By: Timothy (TRiG)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy (TRiG)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2010 22:17:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see extremists on both sides. I see right-wingers and extremist right-wingers. There are almost no left-wingers in American politics. A change away from FPTP to a form of Proportional Representation would probably help (we use the STV method in Ireland, but there are others). It might get more extremists into office, but the overall makeup should be a bit more centrist. Certainly it would help to get minority parties some recognition.

TRiG.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see extremists on both sides. I see right-wingers and extremist right-wingers. There are almost no left-wingers in American politics. A change away from FPTP to a form of Proportional Representation would probably help (we use the STV method in Ireland, but there are others). It might get more extremists into office, but the overall makeup should be a bit more centrist. Certainly it would help to get minority parties some recognition.</p>
<p>TRiG.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Dec 2010 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a question about the ordinance itself:

Doesn&#039;t it include public accommodations (restaurants, motels)?

Most gay-rights ordinances are not stand-alone, but are amendments to existing civil rights ordinances. Did they exclude this aspect?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a question about the ordinance itself:</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t it include public accommodations (restaurants, motels)?</p>
<p>Most gay-rights ordinances are not stand-alone, but are amendments to existing civil rights ordinances. Did they exclude this aspect?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2010 23:07:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our current two-party primary election system tends to result in extremists on both sides being over-represented in state legislatures.  Those who win primaries seldom share the values of the less-partisan, less-extreme, less-purist citizens who make up the majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our current two-party primary election system tends to result in extremists on both sides being over-represented in state legislatures.  Those who win primaries seldom share the values of the less-partisan, less-extreme, less-purist citizens who make up the majority.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 15:21:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cowboy, I think we&#039;ve got the same problem in the other 49 states as well.  What aggravates the hell out of me is that we can&#039;t seem to fix it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cowboy, I think we&#8217;ve got the same problem in the other 49 states as well.  What aggravates the hell out of me is that we can&#8217;t seem to fix it.</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Dec 2010 13:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except you have the ultra-right wingers (closely tied to the tea-baggers) in control of the Utah legislature.  They&#039;re clearly not representative of the majority of centric-minded Mormons.   The makeup of our legislature is a product of a manipulative and opportunists who know how our political system works (or does not work) and a flawed delegate-caucus methodology.  

That&#039;s how our senior and influential Senator Bennett was ousted in our primary election and these small groups of influential people voted for a radical ultra-conservative Mike Lee who, by the way, is even nuttier than our Senator Chaffetz.    

So...when we get to where this next legislature session gets to really working on critical issues (economy, schools and budget) they will spend an inordinate amount of time with dealing with us...the gays.  (sigh)   I&#039;m not looking forward to 2011. 

It seems futile to even try to contact and talk with these virulent anti-gay (yes, they&#039;re Mormon) members of my legislature.  

And, they&#039;re not a true representation of the majority of Utahns. 

Maybe we need another &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;pronouncement&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; from the Mormon Church to be &quot;tolerant and respectful&quot;?  Yeah...that outta do it...(/snark)

I wonder if Italy has the same problem with radical Catholics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except you have the ultra-right wingers (closely tied to the tea-baggers) in control of the Utah legislature.  They&#8217;re clearly not representative of the majority of centric-minded Mormons.   The makeup of our legislature is a product of a manipulative and opportunists who know how our political system works (or does not work) and a flawed delegate-caucus methodology.  </p>
<p>That&#8217;s how our senior and influential Senator Bennett was ousted in our primary election and these small groups of influential people voted for a radical ultra-conservative Mike Lee who, by the way, is even nuttier than our Senator Chaffetz.    </p>
<p>So&#8230;when we get to where this next legislature session gets to really working on critical issues (economy, schools and budget) they will spend an inordinate amount of time with dealing with us&#8230;the gays.  (sigh)   I&#8217;m not looking forward to 2011. </p>
<p>It seems futile to even try to contact and talk with these virulent anti-gay (yes, they&#8217;re Mormon) members of my legislature.  </p>
<p>And, they&#8217;re not a true representation of the majority of Utahns. </p>
<p>Maybe we need another <b><i>pronouncement</i></b> from the Mormon Church to be &#8220;tolerant and respectful&#8221;?  Yeah&#8230;that outta do it&#8230;(/snark)</p>
<p>I wonder if Italy has the same problem with radical Catholics?</p>
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