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	<title>Comments on: Teachers who engaged in anti-gay bullying now suing school district</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:37:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri, people who are gay never say &quot;there is no evidence that I am not gay&quot;, they just say &quot;I am gay&quot;. As a member of the LGBT community it is natural for stories about LGBTs to interest me.  You are not a member of this community and as such your being drawn to this story to attack the victim strongly suggests you are only interested in it to deny the abuse of LGBTs.  You say &quot;The reason that I put victim in quotes is simply because the case has not gone to trial to prove the facts.&quot;.  That might be believable if you hadn&#039;t already asserted that the victim was a liar, thus making a mockery of your admonition to us to &quot;not judge before you know all the facts&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri, people who are gay never say &#8220;there is no evidence that I am not gay&#8221;, they just say &#8220;I am gay&#8221;. As a member of the LGBT community it is natural for stories about LGBTs to interest me.  You are not a member of this community and as such your being drawn to this story to attack the victim strongly suggests you are only interested in it to deny the abuse of LGBTs.  You say &#8220;The reason that I put victim in quotes is simply because the case has not gone to trial to prove the facts.&#8221;.  That might be believable if you hadn&#8217;t already asserted that the victim was a liar, thus making a mockery of your admonition to us to &#8220;not judge before you know all the facts&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 23:01:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri,

In addition to your hostility, you seem to have an abundance of ignorance.

1.  Priya Lynn comments on virtually EVERYTHING that is brought up at this blogsite.

2.  Filson is suing the school, not the other way around.  He is the one who is &quot;accusing&quot; the school district and specifically of &lt;i&gt;releasing&lt;/i&gt; the results of the investigation.  &lt;b&gt;In this case, it is the school district that is innocent until proven guilty.&lt;/b&gt;  Funny how that works, huh?

3.  The school has conducted its investigation - as has the state - and its determinations are in.

4.  Keep up with the &quot;you don&#039;t know&quot; line and I&#039;ll release exactly what I do know.  Remember, your IP address tells a good deal more than you may wish that it did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri,</p>
<p>In addition to your hostility, you seem to have an abundance of ignorance.</p>
<p>1.  Priya Lynn comments on virtually EVERYTHING that is brought up at this blogsite.</p>
<p>2.  Filson is suing the school, not the other way around.  He is the one who is &#8220;accusing&#8221; the school district and specifically of <i>releasing</i> the results of the investigation.  <b>In this case, it is the school district that is innocent until proven guilty.</b>  Funny how that works, huh?</p>
<p>3.  The school has conducted its investigation &#8211; as has the state &#8211; and its determinations are in.</p>
<p>4.  Keep up with the &#8220;you don&#8217;t know&#8221; line and I&#8217;ll release exactly what I do know.  Remember, your IP address tells a good deal more than you may wish that it did.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/12/29/28756/comment-page-1#comment-86438</link>
		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Jan 2011 22:39:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Priya Lynn:
Grow up! What about youself? How come the only case you are willing to comment on is a case where nothing has been proven. This indicates that you are biased against truth and justice. I have never said I have a bias against gays. In fact, there is no evidence that I myself am not gay. The reason that I put victim in quotes is simply because the case has not gone to trial to prove the facts. I hope that you are never accused of a horrible crime that you did not commit and are judged before all the facts are in. Because if you are, you will then see how important the legal system is and how important &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; is in any case whether or not a gay person is involved or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Priya Lynn:<br />
Grow up! What about youself? How come the only case you are willing to comment on is a case where nothing has been proven. This indicates that you are biased against truth and justice. I have never said I have a bias against gays. In fact, there is no evidence that I myself am not gay. The reason that I put victim in quotes is simply because the case has not gone to trial to prove the facts. I hope that you are never accused of a horrible crime that you did not commit and are judged before all the facts are in. Because if you are, you will then see how important the legal system is and how important &#8220;innocent until proven guilty&#8221; is in any case whether or not a gay person is involved or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2010/12/29/28756/comment-page-1#comment-86322</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 23:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri, out of the hundreds of stories in the news about one person abusing another the only one that you and Anna want to question the truth of is the one where a person is accused of anti-gay bullying.  That shows you come to this right off the bat with a bias against gays.  Spare us the talk about how the all the facts aren&#039;t in and you want the truth.  When you put victim in quotes its pretty clear you&#039;ve already decided yourself that person isn&#039;t really a victim and you don&#039;t give a damn about what the facts are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri, out of the hundreds of stories in the news about one person abusing another the only one that you and Anna want to question the truth of is the one where a person is accused of anti-gay bullying.  That shows you come to this right off the bat with a bias against gays.  Spare us the talk about how the all the facts aren&#8217;t in and you want the truth.  When you put victim in quotes its pretty clear you&#8217;ve already decided yourself that person isn&#8217;t really a victim and you don&#8217;t give a damn about what the facts are.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 23:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anna,

Thank you for the update on your husband&#039;s trial.  And I&#039;m quite sure that the students who met with your husband today over lunch will readily confirm whatever it is that he wants them to say.

Please feel free to update us as you wish.

Timothy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anna,</p>
<p>Thank you for the update on your husband&#8217;s trial.  And I&#8217;m quite sure that the students who met with your husband today over lunch will readily confirm whatever it is that he wants them to say.</p>
<p>Please feel free to update us as you wish.</p>
<p>Timothy</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 22:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Kincaid:
I want to thank you for tearing apart my comments bit by bit and making accusations and assumptions about me just as you did in your article about the teachers. You have now verified your immaturity lack of journalistic gifts. You keep saying the facts were verified, but neither you nor I were there and all the parties that were have not yet been questioned, so how can the facts even be close to verified. By telling me I am an evil person for wanting the truth and not just lies is absurd and out of line. Never did I come up with any excuses or nonsense. I never once stated that people should have the right to bully and make other&#039;s lives miserable. Maybe all this energy should be put forth to finding the truth and not tearing down innocent people whom are just trying to get facts about a deeply disturbing case. You do not know if I am male, female, gay or straight. You do not know if I am your neighbor or even a friend. You do not know if I work near you or if I am an acquaintance of the &quot;victim&quot;. In fact, you don’t even know if I happen to be a state worker investigating this case. All you know is that there is an issue with bullying, and that this issue is causing many suicides in Minnesota and all over the country. I can’t disagree with you on that point, but I do disagree on most of the other statements you have made. To keep this as an amicable debate rather than a forum to attack people’s beliefs, we will have to agree to disagree. I too think that you are also not a credible source. You have made some pretty stong determinations about my feelings, belifs, and thoughts. Again, please do not judge until you know all the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Kincaid:<br />
I want to thank you for tearing apart my comments bit by bit and making accusations and assumptions about me just as you did in your article about the teachers. You have now verified your immaturity lack of journalistic gifts. You keep saying the facts were verified, but neither you nor I were there and all the parties that were have not yet been questioned, so how can the facts even be close to verified. By telling me I am an evil person for wanting the truth and not just lies is absurd and out of line. Never did I come up with any excuses or nonsense. I never once stated that people should have the right to bully and make other&#8217;s lives miserable. Maybe all this energy should be put forth to finding the truth and not tearing down innocent people whom are just trying to get facts about a deeply disturbing case. You do not know if I am male, female, gay or straight. You do not know if I am your neighbor or even a friend. You do not know if I work near you or if I am an acquaintance of the &#8220;victim&#8221;. In fact, you don’t even know if I happen to be a state worker investigating this case. All you know is that there is an issue with bullying, and that this issue is causing many suicides in Minnesota and all over the country. I can’t disagree with you on that point, but I do disagree on most of the other statements you have made. To keep this as an amicable debate rather than a forum to attack people’s beliefs, we will have to agree to disagree. I too think that you are also not a credible source. You have made some pretty stong determinations about my feelings, belifs, and thoughts. Again, please do not judge until you know all the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 22:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just want you to know that soon the real truth will come out.  Today three students from that class had lunch with Mr. Filson and are willing to tell the truth about what happened in that class.  Also the other co-teacher who taught side by side with Mr. Filson has been waiting for the real Trial and he will tell what he knows as the truth.  He also is a retired police officer with Brooklyn Park and no one has ever bothered to spek to him either.  I wouldn&#039;t want to be in the liars kids shoes when all the truth comes out.  He should run for cover because he will be exposed for the liar he is.  Mr. Filson has people who really are gay that are his friends who are not happy with the liar , Alex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just want you to know that soon the real truth will come out.  Today three students from that class had lunch with Mr. Filson and are willing to tell the truth about what happened in that class.  Also the other co-teacher who taught side by side with Mr. Filson has been waiting for the real Trial and he will tell what he knows as the truth.  He also is a retired police officer with Brooklyn Park and no one has ever bothered to spek to him either.  I wouldn&#8217;t want to be in the liars kids shoes when all the truth comes out.  He should run for cover because he will be exposed for the liar he is.  Mr. Filson has people who really are gay that are his friends who are not happy with the liar , Alex.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 23:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teri,

Let me address your assertions one at a time:



&lt;blockquote&gt;I think that there are two sides to every story. How do we know that the kid was not lying about what was said to him? &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Because two separate investigations found corroborating support.



&lt;blockquote&gt;I in no way shape or form condone bullying or any type of abuse. If these statements were true and had been documented after full investigation by the proper authorities, then I too would have to agree that those teachers should be punished at least lose their jobs and teaching licenses. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



They were documented after full investigation,



&lt;blockquote&gt;
However, those comments that the author Timothy Kincaid quoted are not fully verified by the state. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Those were direct quotes from the Minnesota Department of Human Rights report.




&lt;blockquote&gt;The teachers were never questioned, the majority of the students in the classroom were not questioned, and most importantly of all, the kid (now an adult) was not questioned appropriately. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



Considering that you are factually wrong on everything else you have said, I&#039;ll not give you the benefit of the doubt on this.





&lt;blockquote&gt;My point is that there is a legal system out there to protect ALL citizens. I believe that the author did not take in to consideration all the facts, because all of the facts have not yet been published. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



But enough have been published to know the character of the people you are defending.




&lt;blockquote&gt;I also wonder why a picture of the “victim” has not been published in this article as pictures of the teachers have. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



As you put &quot;victim&quot; in scare quotes, it&#039;s clear that you have no empathy for a student that was bullied by adults.




&lt;blockquote&gt;I also want to speak to the comments made by Mihangel apYrs. Suicide is an issue that is very sad and does need to be addressed in society and our school systems. However, those lives are lost at their own hands. &lt;/blockquote&gt;



You are a very evil person.



&lt;blockquote&gt;They may have felt that there was no other way and that they just could not live with the situations they were in. But when someone takes another’s life, that is not suicide, that is murder.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Nine students in this school district committed suicide within the past year alone.  Four were directly linked to anti-gay bullying.

At the point in which you see a problem, when it becomes clear that bullying leads to death, and you do nothing to stop the bullying, you are morally complicit in the death.




&lt;blockquote&gt;The victim does not have a say in whether they live or die, the murderer does. That is the difference between death threats and suicide thoughts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

 

The only &quot;death threats&quot; in this story come from your claims.  Frankly, you are not a credible source.



&lt;blockquote&gt;Please do not classify them in the same bucket. I really can not believe that you think innocent people should die:&lt;/blockquote&gt;



no, but clearly you do, provided it&#039;s &quot;at their own hands&quot;



&lt;blockquote&gt; at least that is what is being implied by your message. Would you “own” up to something that you did not do? How can we ask the teachers to do that if they did not “do” as they have been accused?&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Sure.  Except that they did.  As two separate investigations found.


&lt;blockquote&gt;
 I am just asking that people look at the facts and not just what is being written and stated in the media.&lt;/blockquote&gt;



We have looked at the facts.  We also see you coming here with a big pile of excuses and red herrings and nonsense.

From what you write it is EXTREMELY clear that you care nothing whatsoever about children being bullied by teachers.  You care nothing about the suicide rate in this district.

You only care that these two teacher be given a pass to continue tormenting other children that they suspect of being gay.  What an amazing level of evil you must have in your heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teri,</p>
<p>Let me address your assertions one at a time:</p>
<blockquote><p>I think that there are two sides to every story. How do we know that the kid was not lying about what was said to him? </p></blockquote>
<p>Because two separate investigations found corroborating support.</p>
<blockquote><p>I in no way shape or form condone bullying or any type of abuse. If these statements were true and had been documented after full investigation by the proper authorities, then I too would have to agree that those teachers should be punished at least lose their jobs and teaching licenses. </p></blockquote>
<p>They were documented after full investigation,</p>
<blockquote><p>
However, those comments that the author Timothy Kincaid quoted are not fully verified by the state. </p></blockquote>
<p>Those were direct quotes from the Minnesota Department of Human Rights report.</p>
<blockquote><p>The teachers were never questioned, the majority of the students in the classroom were not questioned, and most importantly of all, the kid (now an adult) was not questioned appropriately. </p></blockquote>
<p>Considering that you are factually wrong on everything else you have said, I&#8217;ll not give you the benefit of the doubt on this.</p>
<blockquote><p>My point is that there is a legal system out there to protect ALL citizens. I believe that the author did not take in to consideration all the facts, because all of the facts have not yet been published. </p></blockquote>
<p>But enough have been published to know the character of the people you are defending.</p>
<blockquote><p>I also wonder why a picture of the “victim” has not been published in this article as pictures of the teachers have. </p></blockquote>
<p>As you put &#8220;victim&#8221; in scare quotes, it&#8217;s clear that you have no empathy for a student that was bullied by adults.</p>
<blockquote><p>I also want to speak to the comments made by Mihangel apYrs. Suicide is an issue that is very sad and does need to be addressed in society and our school systems. However, those lives are lost at their own hands. </p></blockquote>
<p>You are a very evil person.</p>
<blockquote><p>They may have felt that there was no other way and that they just could not live with the situations they were in. But when someone takes another’s life, that is not suicide, that is murder.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nine students in this school district committed suicide within the past year alone.  Four were directly linked to anti-gay bullying.</p>
<p>At the point in which you see a problem, when it becomes clear that bullying leads to death, and you do nothing to stop the bullying, you are morally complicit in the death.</p>
<blockquote><p>The victim does not have a say in whether they live or die, the murderer does. That is the difference between death threats and suicide thoughts.</p></blockquote>
<p>The only &#8220;death threats&#8221; in this story come from your claims.  Frankly, you are not a credible source.</p>
<blockquote><p>Please do not classify them in the same bucket. I really can not believe that you think innocent people should die:</p></blockquote>
<p>no, but clearly you do, provided it&#8217;s &#8220;at their own hands&#8221;</p>
<blockquote><p> at least that is what is being implied by your message. Would you “own” up to something that you did not do? How can we ask the teachers to do that if they did not “do” as they have been accused?</p></blockquote>
<p>Sure.  Except that they did.  As two separate investigations found.</p>
<blockquote><p>
 I am just asking that people look at the facts and not just what is being written and stated in the media.</p></blockquote>
<p>We have looked at the facts.  We also see you coming here with a big pile of excuses and red herrings and nonsense.</p>
<p>From what you write it is EXTREMELY clear that you care nothing whatsoever about children being bullied by teachers.  You care nothing about the suicide rate in this district.</p>
<p>You only care that these two teacher be given a pass to continue tormenting other children that they suspect of being gay.  What an amazing level of evil you must have in your heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Teri</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, I see that I have raised some discussion and bad feelings towards myself. I think that there are two sides to every story. How do we know that the kid was not lying about what was said to him? I in no way shape or form condone bullying or any type of abuse. If these statements were true and had been documented after full investigation by the proper authorities, then I too would have to agree that those teachers should be punished at least lose their jobs and teaching licenses. However, those comments that the author Timothy Kincaid quoted are not fully verified by the state. The teachers were never questioned, the majority of the students in the classroom were not questioned, and most importantly of all, the kid (now an adult) was not questioned appropriately. My point is that there is a legal system out there to protect ALL citizens. I believe that the author did not take in to consideration all the facts, because all of the facts have not yet been published. I also wonder why a picture of the &quot;victim&quot; has not been published in this article as pictures of the teachers have. I also want to speak to the comments made by Mihangel apYrs. Suicide is an issue that is very sad and does need to be addressed in society and our school systems. However, those lives are lost at their own hands. They may have felt that there was no other way and that they just could not live with the situations they were in. But when someone takes another&#039;s life, that is not suicide, that is murder. The victim does not have a say in whether they live or die, the murderer does. That is the difference between death threats and suicide thoughts. Please do not classify them in the same bucket. I really can not believe that you think innocent people should die: at least that is what is being implied by your message. Would you “own” up to something that you did not do? How can we ask the teachers to do that if they did not “do” as they have been accused? I am just asking that people look at the facts and not just what is being written and stated in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, I see that I have raised some discussion and bad feelings towards myself. I think that there are two sides to every story. How do we know that the kid was not lying about what was said to him? I in no way shape or form condone bullying or any type of abuse. If these statements were true and had been documented after full investigation by the proper authorities, then I too would have to agree that those teachers should be punished at least lose their jobs and teaching licenses. However, those comments that the author Timothy Kincaid quoted are not fully verified by the state. The teachers were never questioned, the majority of the students in the classroom were not questioned, and most importantly of all, the kid (now an adult) was not questioned appropriately. My point is that there is a legal system out there to protect ALL citizens. I believe that the author did not take in to consideration all the facts, because all of the facts have not yet been published. I also wonder why a picture of the &#8220;victim&#8221; has not been published in this article as pictures of the teachers have. I also want to speak to the comments made by Mihangel apYrs. Suicide is an issue that is very sad and does need to be addressed in society and our school systems. However, those lives are lost at their own hands. They may have felt that there was no other way and that they just could not live with the situations they were in. But when someone takes another&#8217;s life, that is not suicide, that is murder. The victim does not have a say in whether they live or die, the murderer does. That is the difference between death threats and suicide thoughts. Please do not classify them in the same bucket. I really can not believe that you think innocent people should die: at least that is what is being implied by your message. Would you “own” up to something that you did not do? How can we ask the teachers to do that if they did not “do” as they have been accused? I am just asking that people look at the facts and not just what is being written and stated in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jan 2011 20:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WELL, Teri?
You got asked questions to back up your reasoning.
What&#039;s the subtext you&#039;re getting at, Teri?
Is it what Emily K is suggesting. That the teachers were bullied?

     Teri, it&#039;s been open season on all kinds of kids with tragic results. This is hardly new, it&#039;s been going on for decades, but only now has made it to national discussion.
 But as we can see, a GAY kid or one perceived to be, was not only singled out by students but teachers as well.
Meaning, the teachers, with their position of influence and power to challenge and stop such a thing, engaged in it as well.

 And particularly when it was gay related.
There IS no other side to this, just because the teachers in question are too immature and cowardly to own up to THEIR behavior.
   They aren&#039;t even denying they did it really. They just don&#039;t like that there are consequences to it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WELL, Teri?<br />
You got asked questions to back up your reasoning.<br />
What&#8217;s the subtext you&#8217;re getting at, Teri?<br />
Is it what Emily K is suggesting. That the teachers were bullied?</p>
<p>     Teri, it&#8217;s been open season on all kinds of kids with tragic results. This is hardly new, it&#8217;s been going on for decades, but only now has made it to national discussion.<br />
 But as we can see, a GAY kid or one perceived to be, was not only singled out by students but teachers as well.<br />
Meaning, the teachers, with their position of influence and power to challenge and stop such a thing, engaged in it as well.</p>
<p> And particularly when it was gay related.<br />
There IS no other side to this, just because the teachers in question are too immature and cowardly to own up to THEIR behavior.<br />
   They aren&#8217;t even denying they did it really. They just don&#8217;t like that there are consequences to it.</p>
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