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		<title>By: cd</title>
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		<dc:creator>cd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 07:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if Tom Monaghan is one of the big donors.

The real question is imho &quot;Who actually trusts Maggie Srinavastav with serious money?&quot;  I seriously wonder whether she isn&#039;t mostly used as a distraction and flak catcher while the backdoor operators ;) of the Tony Perkins/Chuck Colson famiglia do the serious lifting of going to the conservative clergy and congregations and internal organizations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if Tom Monaghan is one of the big donors.</p>
<p>The real question is imho &#8220;Who actually trusts Maggie Srinavastav with serious money?&#8221;  I seriously wonder whether she isn&#8217;t mostly used as a distraction and flak catcher while the backdoor operators ;) of the Tony Perkins/Chuck Colson famiglia do the serious lifting of going to the conservative clergy and congregations and internal organizations.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 19:53:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Malcolm, are you in the Santa Clara Vanguard? I marched Crossmen. :]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Malcolm, are you in the Santa Clara Vanguard? I marched Crossmen. :]</p>
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		<title>By: SCVMalcolm</title>
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		<dc:creator>SCVMalcolm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The term of reference &quot;separate dioceses&quot; might be better served if the words &quot;separate stakes&quot; were used.  Clearly it was the Mormons who funded the Prop. H8 and other anti-marriage equality campaigns to a much larger extent than the Roman Catholic Church and/or its Knights of Columbus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The term of reference &#8220;separate dioceses&#8221; might be better served if the words &#8220;separate stakes&#8221; were used.  Clearly it was the Mormons who funded the Prop. H8 and other anti-marriage equality campaigns to a much larger extent than the Roman Catholic Church and/or its Knights of Columbus.</p>
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		<title>By: MJC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MJC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People still use WordPerfect?</description>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 22:08:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$1.4 million of these funds has already been identified as coming from the Knights of Columbus.  You may recall that they publicly acknowledged this last summer.

What of the remainder?  I agree with Cowboy that Alan Ashton is a good candidate.  However looking at his 2008 donations, it should be noted that he donated $1 million to Yes on 8 only after Bastian donated $1 million to No on 8.  He was acting to cancel out his former WordPerfect co-founder&#039;s donation dollar for dollar.  He probably saw it as his duty to make sure that dollars reaped from the sale of WordPerfect did not result in a net gain for gay marriage.

Bastian has not made any large public donations on marriage since then.  He donated only $6,000 to No on 1 in Maine.  This was a direct donation, and it was disclosed.  He might have routed further donations through HRC, but the most that could be is $95K.

Ashton did not make any direct donation to Yes on 1.  Ashton could well have opted to counter the Bastian donation via a contribution routed (or laundered) through NOM.  But it is no sure bet that he would put in another million when Bastian only went for 6K publicly and at most $100K total. 

I think the other candidates for big money donations are Elsa Prince and Howard Ahmanson (who makes his political contributions through a company called Fieldstead).  Both of these people gave heavily to Yes on 8 and have vast sums to spend.  

On the lower end of the giving spectrum: I would not be surprised to see Focus on the Family donating amounts in the tens of thousands of dollars.  I doubt they would go much higher than that, but it would be to their advantage to launder donations through NOM given their mass layoffs in 2009.  

Finally, I would not be surprised to see a new name pop up.  A high net worth Mormon or Catholic who may have been a small donor previously but who has been urged by his religious leaders to cough up.  I also note that Pat Robertson, who has a net worth well into the 9 figures, was curiously absent from the Prop 8 and Question 1 donor lists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$1.4 million of these funds has already been identified as coming from the Knights of Columbus.  You may recall that they publicly acknowledged this last summer.</p>
<p>What of the remainder?  I agree with Cowboy that Alan Ashton is a good candidate.  However looking at his 2008 donations, it should be noted that he donated $1 million to Yes on 8 only after Bastian donated $1 million to No on 8.  He was acting to cancel out his former WordPerfect co-founder&#8217;s donation dollar for dollar.  He probably saw it as his duty to make sure that dollars reaped from the sale of WordPerfect did not result in a net gain for gay marriage.</p>
<p>Bastian has not made any large public donations on marriage since then.  He donated only $6,000 to No on 1 in Maine.  This was a direct donation, and it was disclosed.  He might have routed further donations through HRC, but the most that could be is $95K.</p>
<p>Ashton did not make any direct donation to Yes on 1.  Ashton could well have opted to counter the Bastian donation via a contribution routed (or laundered) through NOM.  But it is no sure bet that he would put in another million when Bastian only went for 6K publicly and at most $100K total. </p>
<p>I think the other candidates for big money donations are Elsa Prince and Howard Ahmanson (who makes his political contributions through a company called Fieldstead).  Both of these people gave heavily to Yes on 8 and have vast sums to spend.  </p>
<p>On the lower end of the giving spectrum: I would not be surprised to see Focus on the Family donating amounts in the tens of thousands of dollars.  I doubt they would go much higher than that, but it would be to their advantage to launder donations through NOM given their mass layoffs in 2009.  </p>
<p>Finally, I would not be surprised to see a new name pop up.  A high net worth Mormon or Catholic who may have been a small donor previously but who has been urged by his religious leaders to cough up.  I also note that Pat Robertson, who has a net worth well into the 9 figures, was curiously absent from the Prop 8 and Question 1 donor lists.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lindoro,

That is a good question... but the answer is that it wouldn&#039;t much matter.

For a 401(c) 4 type organization, the contributions to NOM are not deductible from the donor&#039;s taxes.  So it would have no noticeable impact to the donor.

Additionally, were NOM to be considered a for-profit corporation, they would pay tax only on that portion of income that exceeded expenses, which in 2009 would be zero.  At worst, NOM faces filing fees - but likely not even that.

Thus the non-profit filing compliance is a formality and NOM knows that there is very little downside to breaking the law.  Where they could run afoul is if television and newspapers refused to run ads for a criminal organization and as NOM refuses to follow the law, that is what they are.  Additionally, candidates and propositions could be forced to return donations from NOM as they are a law-breaking front group.

It is not the IRS that is our savior on this, but if states insist that campaign laws be observed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lindoro,</p>
<p>That is a good question&#8230; but the answer is that it wouldn&#8217;t much matter.</p>
<p>For a 401(c) 4 type organization, the contributions to NOM are not deductible from the donor&#8217;s taxes.  So it would have no noticeable impact to the donor.</p>
<p>Additionally, were NOM to be considered a for-profit corporation, they would pay tax only on that portion of income that exceeded expenses, which in 2009 would be zero.  At worst, NOM faces filing fees &#8211; but likely not even that.</p>
<p>Thus the non-profit filing compliance is a formality and NOM knows that there is very little downside to breaking the law.  Where they could run afoul is if television and newspapers refused to run ads for a criminal organization and as NOM refuses to follow the law, that is what they are.  Additionally, candidates and propositions could be forced to return donations from NOM as they are a law-breaking front group.</p>
<p>It is not the IRS that is our savior on this, but if states insist that campaign laws be observed.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindoro Almaviva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lindoro Almaviva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 21:34:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why the IRS has not taken their non-for-profit status in view of the many violations to the law is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why the IRS has not taken their non-for-profit status in view of the many violations to the law is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: B John</title>
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		<dc:creator>B John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 20:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has always been a reason they are fighting so hard to keep their donor&#039;s secret. I suspect those legal cases are being funded by these same donors.

I&#039;m guessing one or two families, who for whatever reason, have an anti-gay agenda to advance, but clearly don&#039;t want the world to know. It has to come out sooner or later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has always been a reason they are fighting so hard to keep their donor&#8217;s secret. I suspect those legal cases are being funded by these same donors.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m guessing one or two families, who for whatever reason, have an anti-gay agenda to advance, but clearly don&#8217;t want the world to know. It has to come out sooner or later.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cowboy,

Ashton and Bastion donated in 2008 for the Prop 8 battle.  This 990 covers 2009</description>
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<p>Ashton and Bastion donated in 2008 for the Prop 8 battle.  This 990 covers 2009</p>
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		<title>By: cowboy</title>
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		<dc:creator>cowboy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2011 19:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the three donors of a million or more has to be &lt;b&gt;Alan C. Ashton&lt;/b&gt;.  (Co-Founder of WordPerfect.)  

I&#039;m wondering where did &lt;b&gt;Bruce Bastian&lt;/b&gt; (the other Co-Founder of WordPerfect) put his Million-Dollar donation for our side?  Probably through HRC.  

Interesting shuffling of huge amounts of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the three donors of a million or more has to be <b>Alan C. Ashton</b>.  (Co-Founder of WordPerfect.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering where did <b>Bruce Bastian</b> (the other Co-Founder of WordPerfect) put his Million-Dollar donation for our side?  Probably through HRC.  </p>
<p>Interesting shuffling of huge amounts of money.</p>
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