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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 18:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ejercito

You are arguing process rather than principle.</description>
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<p>You are arguing process rather than principle.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ejercito</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Ejercito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;However, you misunderstand our legal system if you think that cases are entirely independent of each other. Precedent is important, and in civil rights cases (which this is not) determination applies broadly to the class of individuals.&lt;/i&gt;
Indeed it is. 

As a commenter on another blog &lt;a href=&quot;http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/12/judge-phillips-dadt-order-is-not-the-victory-being-claimed/#comment-259004&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; pointed out &lt;/a&gt;, Judges do not sit as arbiters of public policy in the abstract, is what I meant to say. They’re forced to wait on specific cases, involving specific parties, and their decisions in the final analysis only apply to those individuals. They’re enforceable only when similarly situated individuals walk into their court and say, “I want the same rights you gave Jane Roe [of &lt;i&gt;Roe v. Wade&lt;/i&gt;]in that other case.”

Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Texas Supreme Court overturns the Third Circuit&#039;s ruling and remands for a decision on the merits, and the Thirds Circuit rules that Texas state law authorizes divorce, the court &lt;i&gt;order&lt;/i&gt; applies only to the litigants. It is when other similarly-situated individuals go to a court within the Third Circuit asking for the same legal rights that the Naylors did, that the bhinding effect of precedent takes place. 

In a similar vein, in &lt;i&gt;Loving v. Virginia&lt;/i&gt;, the actual order for the Supreme Court was to reverse the Lovings&#039; convictions, no more. (&quot;These convictions must be reversed.&quot;) For other interracial couples, &lt;i&gt;Loving&lt;/i&gt; would only come into play if they are prosecuted for violating an anti-miscegenation law, or they have cause to sue to compel issuance of a marriage license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>However, you misunderstand our legal system if you think that cases are entirely independent of each other. Precedent is important, and in civil rights cases (which this is not) determination applies broadly to the class of individuals.</i><br />
Indeed it is. </p>
<p>As a commenter on another blog <a href="http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2010/10/12/judge-phillips-dadt-order-is-not-the-victory-being-claimed/#comment-259004" rel="nofollow"> pointed out </a>, Judges do not sit as arbiters of public policy in the abstract, is what I meant to say. They’re forced to wait on specific cases, involving specific parties, and their decisions in the final analysis only apply to those individuals. They’re enforceable only when similarly situated individuals walk into their court and say, “I want the same rights you gave Jane Roe [of <i>Roe v. Wade</i>]in that other case.”</p>
<p>Assuming, for the sake of argument, that the Texas Supreme Court overturns the Third Circuit&#8217;s ruling and remands for a decision on the merits, and the Thirds Circuit rules that Texas state law authorizes divorce, the court <i>order</i> applies only to the litigants. It is when other similarly-situated individuals go to a court within the Third Circuit asking for the same legal rights that the Naylors did, that the bhinding effect of precedent takes place. </p>
<p>In a similar vein, in <i>Loving v. Virginia</i>, the actual order for the Supreme Court was to reverse the Lovings&#8217; convictions, no more. (&#8220;These convictions must be reversed.&#8221;) For other interracial couples, <i>Loving</i> would only come into play if they are prosecuted for violating an anti-miscegenation law, or they have cause to sue to compel issuance of a marriage license.</p>
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		<title>By: MIhangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>MIhangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jan 2011 13:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for illustration, not comparison, prostitution is illegal in many States and Nation States.  However they will tax earnings from prostitution.

More meaningfully, courts rule all the time on things not covered explicitly by law, so a ruling here is not irrational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for illustration, not comparison, prostitution is illegal in many States and Nation States.  However they will tax earnings from prostitution.</p>
<p>More meaningfully, courts rule all the time on things not covered explicitly by law, so a ruling here is not irrational.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 21:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael Ejercito,

You are correct that this only applies to this case (as the appeal occurred too late and presumably would be entered timely in other circumstances).

However, you misunderstand our legal system if you think that cases are entirely independent of each other.   Precedent is important, and in civil rights cases (which this is not) determination applies broadly to the class of individuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael Ejercito,</p>
<p>You are correct that this only applies to this case (as the appeal occurred too late and presumably would be entered timely in other circumstances).</p>
<p>However, you misunderstand our legal system if you think that cases are entirely independent of each other.   Precedent is important, and in civil rights cases (which this is not) determination applies broadly to the class of individuals.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Ejercito</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/07/28915/comment-page-1#comment-86563</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael Ejercito</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Jan 2011 04:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This ruling, of course, is limited to the couple. It in no way determines if other same-sex couples married in foreign jurisdictions can get divorced under Texas law. 

But that is the nature of trial courts- they can only determine the rights and duties of the parties before them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This ruling, of course, is limited to the couple. It in no way determines if other same-sex couples married in foreign jurisdictions can get divorced under Texas law. </p>
<p>But that is the nature of trial courts- they can only determine the rights and duties of the parties before them.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenEyedLilo</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenEyedLilo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 04:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope this decision lasts and their fight will end quickly so they can both move on.  How ironic that they were forced to work together for so long after their love died.  What a long time to be in legal limbo.  It&#039;s unromantic and not (I hope) what any couple thinks of as they walk down the aisle, but the right to legal divorce is so important.  We&#039;ve seen in some very tragic cases what happens when a splitting couple doesn&#039;t have access to proper legal procedures for child custody, the disposition of property, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope this decision lasts and their fight will end quickly so they can both move on.  How ironic that they were forced to work together for so long after their love died.  What a long time to be in legal limbo.  It&#8217;s unromantic and not (I hope) what any couple thinks of as they walk down the aisle, but the right to legal divorce is so important.  We&#8217;ve seen in some very tragic cases what happens when a splitting couple doesn&#8217;t have access to proper legal procedures for child custody, the disposition of property, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 02:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ummm, mazel tov?</description>
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