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		<title>By: Jason D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 15:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When you announce up front that you may reserve the right to move split definitional hairs, or to move goalposts as you see necessary (“Did I say liberals? Obviously what I meant by that was liberal leaders, not the rank-and-file”)&quot;

Throbert, please quote where I said any such thing.

You might try dealing with what I actually said rather than making up and assigning motivations and tactics to me.  You sound ridiculous.

I&#039;ve been commenting on this blog for years, Tim and Jim know how I work, how I write, and what I&#039;m after.  Jim had no trouble at all finding some quotes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When you announce up front that you may reserve the right to move split definitional hairs, or to move goalposts as you see necessary (“Did I say liberals? Obviously what I meant by that was liberal leaders, not the rank-and-file”)&#8221;</p>
<p>Throbert, please quote where I said any such thing.</p>
<p>You might try dealing with what I actually said rather than making up and assigning motivations and tactics to me.  You sound ridiculous.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been commenting on this blog for years, Tim and Jim know how I work, how I write, and what I&#8217;m after.  Jim had no trouble at all finding some quotes.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia_E_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia_E_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BTW, where&#039;s the outrage from the &quot;pro life community&quot; over a 9-year-old child being murdered?

Oh, I forgot -- she was already born. And this is, after all, the same &quot;community&quot; that reacted to the very public murder of Dr. Tiller with mutual self-congratulation about how totally blameless they were.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, where&#8217;s the outrage from the &#8220;pro life community&#8221; over a 9-year-old child being murdered?</p>
<p>Oh, I forgot &#8212; she was already born. And this is, after all, the same &#8220;community&#8221; that reacted to the very public murder of Dr. Tiller with mutual self-congratulation about how totally blameless they were.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throbert,

Ummmm . . . I had never heard of &lt;i&gt;&quot;Wu-Tang Clan and the Wachowski brothers.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And you are correct, I was making a more general assertion about “the Right,” and not addressing the Tucson killings, even though that event has sparked this national conversation. I think this conversation is legitimate regardless of whether or not a direct (or indirect) link to the killings becomes established. I have not seen enough information yet to formulate an opinion, but I do lean toward expecting Right-Wing rhetoric to be a contributing factor, at least insofar as Loughner’s choice of who to kill, and the public event that he chose for doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throbert,</p>
<p>Ummmm . . . I had never heard of <i>&#8220;Wu-Tang Clan and the Wachowski brothers.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And you are correct, I was making a more general assertion about “the Right,” and not addressing the Tucson killings, even though that event has sparked this national conversation. I think this conversation is legitimate regardless of whether or not a direct (or indirect) link to the killings becomes established. I have not seen enough information yet to formulate an opinion, but I do lean toward expecting Right-Wing rhetoric to be a contributing factor, at least insofar as Loughner’s choice of who to kill, and the public event that he chose for doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia_E_S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia_E_S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 14:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity and the rest of the right-wing vipers might escape this time; but no way would I just dismiss the influence that the constantly-flowing sewer of hate speech and sly, nudge-and-wink suggestions for violent &quot;solutions&quot; have nothing to do with what happened in Tucson.  Anyone who does, just keep telling yourself that after the domestic terrorism reaches your own town, and maybe your own family. 

Mentally ill people don&#039;t live in a bubble. They are influenced by their environment just as the rest of us are; and it might be worth pointing out, too, that not all delusional/mentally ill people are violent. People are just trying to escape reality using mental illness as as an emergency exit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, Ingraham, Hannity and the rest of the right-wing vipers might escape this time; but no way would I just dismiss the influence that the constantly-flowing sewer of hate speech and sly, nudge-and-wink suggestions for violent &#8220;solutions&#8221; have nothing to do with what happened in Tucson.  Anyone who does, just keep telling yourself that after the domestic terrorism reaches your own town, and maybe your own family. </p>
<p>Mentally ill people don&#8217;t live in a bubble. They are influenced by their environment just as the rest of us are; and it might be worth pointing out, too, that not all delusional/mentally ill people are violent. People are just trying to escape reality using mental illness as as an emergency exit.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/09/29233/comment-page-2#comment-86824</link>
		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 03:58:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad thing is, I DON&#039;T watch any news. Yet I still know about Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.

The last I heard about anything &quot;Matrix&quot; related outside of an uber-geek fan forum was when the final movie came out, about.. i guess it was 5 years ago. 

And I only know about Wu Tang from comedic references or ironic hipster playlists. 

granted, when the Matrix first got big, that was when Columbine happened. And since I was still in grade school, that was a big deal for everyone around my social circle. And everyone was questioning if the Matrix influenced them, especially since they wore trenchcoats and all that BS. Clinton was prez, and for some reason people were pissed off cuz he hooked up with some desperate intern. So the left was made the enemy.

I think whenevr the Left is demonized it&#039;s through &quot;Hollywood corruption,&quot; etc. because of incidents like columbine which seem to mimic pop culture. 

I haven&#039;t seen a lot of that though; the recent incident is political in nature, as is the over-the-top militaristic rhetoric being used by the Right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad thing is, I DON&#8217;T watch any news. Yet I still know about Palin, Limbaugh, Beck, etc.</p>
<p>The last I heard about anything &#8220;Matrix&#8221; related outside of an uber-geek fan forum was when the final movie came out, about.. i guess it was 5 years ago. </p>
<p>And I only know about Wu Tang from comedic references or ironic hipster playlists. </p>
<p>granted, when the Matrix first got big, that was when Columbine happened. And since I was still in grade school, that was a big deal for everyone around my social circle. And everyone was questioning if the Matrix influenced them, especially since they wore trenchcoats and all that BS. Clinton was prez, and for some reason people were pissed off cuz he hooked up with some desperate intern. So the left was made the enemy.</p>
<p>I think whenevr the Left is demonized it&#8217;s through &#8220;Hollywood corruption,&#8221; etc. because of incidents like columbine which seem to mimic pop culture. </p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen a lot of that though; the recent incident is political in nature, as is the over-the-top militaristic rhetoric being used by the Right.</p>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emily K: Okay, so when does the relevance cut-off date begin? 18 months ago? Two years ago? Five years ago? Or whenever it was that Emily K turned old enough to vote and started watching the news?

At any rate, Richard Rush didn&#039;t seem to be specifically addressing the Tucson killings from a few days ago or the cultural influences that might have affected 22-year-old Loughner; he was making a more general assertion about &quot;the Right&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emily K: Okay, so when does the relevance cut-off date begin? 18 months ago? Two years ago? Five years ago? Or whenever it was that Emily K turned old enough to vote and started watching the news?</p>
<p>At any rate, Richard Rush didn&#8217;t seem to be specifically addressing the Tucson killings from a few days ago or the cultural influences that might have affected 22-year-old Loughner; he was making a more general assertion about &#8220;the Right&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Emily K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Emily K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huh, I wasn&#039;t aware the Wu Tang Clan and Matrix-Movie brothers were 1. still relevant and 2. given 24-7 news cycle-worthy status by anybody.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huh, I wasn&#8217;t aware the Wu Tang Clan and Matrix-Movie brothers were 1. still relevant and 2. given 24-7 news cycle-worthy status by anybody.</p>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 02:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;One difference between people spewing violent rhetoric/graphics from the Right vs. the Left is that those on the Right are elevated to celebrity status and rewarded with substantial financial gain. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

So where do the Wu-Tang Clan and the Wachowski brothers fit on this political map of yours?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>One difference between people spewing violent rhetoric/graphics from the Right vs. the Left is that those on the Right are elevated to celebrity status and rewarded with substantial financial gain. </p></blockquote>
<p>So where do the Wu-Tang Clan and the Wachowski brothers fit on this political map of yours?</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RWG, 

I only know what I &lt;em&gt;know&lt;/em&gt;. The rest is conjecture. When I know &lt;em&gt;more&lt;/em&gt;, I&#039;ll say I know more. But through personal experience I know enough about schizophrenia to know that I need to know more before I&#039;ll say more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RWG, </p>
<p>I only know what I <em>know</em>. The rest is conjecture. When I know <em>more</em>, I&#8217;ll say I know more. But through personal experience I know enough about schizophrenia to know that I need to know more before I&#8217;ll say more.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jan 2011 00:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One difference between people spewing violent rhetoric/graphics from the Right vs. the Left is that those on the Right are elevated to celebrity status and rewarded with substantial financial gain. And the only reason they attain such status and rewards is because there are millions of people who salivate and lust for what they are spewing. Actually, it now seems that violent rhetoric/graphics is almost a prerequisite for becoming a Right-Wing superstar. It&#039;s no longer something that some of them do sometimes, it&#039;s now more of an integral part of who they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One difference between people spewing violent rhetoric/graphics from the Right vs. the Left is that those on the Right are elevated to celebrity status and rewarded with substantial financial gain. And the only reason they attain such status and rewards is because there are millions of people who salivate and lust for what they are spewing. Actually, it now seems that violent rhetoric/graphics is almost a prerequisite for becoming a Right-Wing superstar. It&#8217;s no longer something that some of them do sometimes, it&#8217;s now more of an integral part of who they are.</p>
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