Comments on: Marriage repeal not on New Hampshire GOP agenda http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Wed, 19 Jun 2013 22:37:04 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Emelye Waldherr http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-87397 Emelye Waldherr Tue, 18 Jan 2011 18:34:45 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-87397 L. Junius Brutus wrote, "Yeah. One covering gays, lesbians and bisexuals." New Hampshire already has one that does that. Does that mean it's legal for you to discriminate against people on the basis of their gender identity? You betcha! And judging from your reply, you seem to think that's alright. I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself. L. Junius Brutus wrote, “Yeah. One covering gays, lesbians and bisexuals.”

New Hampshire already has one that does that.

Does that mean it’s legal for you to discriminate against people on the basis of their gender identity? You betcha! And judging from your reply, you seem to think that’s alright.

I think you ought to be ashamed of yourself.

]]> By: andrewb http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-87007 andrewb Fri, 14 Jan 2011 10:11:49 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-87007 Blackdog - I agree with you totally, with one exception. I'd replace "Republican" with "politician", lest we forget how quickly some of our favorite Dems have been to sell us out for political expediency / necessity (depending ones perspective) over the years. Bruno -- I suspect you're right -- there are still many in the base that will remain more or less passive if he "prioritizes", but will go on the attack if he appears to have relented on gay issues... and as everyone saw last year, a small vocal minority can wreak havoc in the primaries... Blackdog – I agree with you totally, with one exception. I’d replace “Republican” with “politician”, lest we forget how quickly some of our favorite Dems have been to sell us out for political expediency / necessity (depending ones perspective) over the years.

Bruno — I suspect you’re right — there are still many in the base that will remain more or less passive if he “prioritizes”, but will go on the attack if he appears to have relented on gay issues… and as everyone saw last year, a small vocal minority can wreak havoc in the primaries…

]]> By: Bruno http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86991 Bruno Fri, 14 Jan 2011 01:11:49 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86991 I still don't see him saying anywhere "I won't ever allow a vote on this." He's just prudently prioritizing based on the platform the NH GOP ran on. I wouldn't be surprised to see them put repeal up in '12. I still don’t see him saying anywhere “I won’t ever allow a vote on this.” He’s just prudently prioritizing based on the platform the NH GOP ran on. I wouldn’t be surprised to see them put repeal up in ’12.

]]> By: L. Junius Brutus http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86986 L. Junius Brutus Thu, 13 Jan 2011 23:33:06 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86986 Emelye: "Wow! This is great news! Now all that money the LGB(t) orgs raised to fight the challenge can be put towards a nondiscrimination law that actually covers the *entire* community!" Yeah. One covering gays, lesbians and bisexuals. Emelye: “Wow! This is great news! Now all that money the LGB(t) orgs raised to fight the challenge can be put towards a nondiscrimination law that actually covers the *entire* community!”

Yeah. One covering gays, lesbians and bisexuals.

]]> By: Emelye Waldherr http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86981 Emelye Waldherr Thu, 13 Jan 2011 22:32:02 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86981 Wow! This is great news! Now all that money the LGB(t) orgs raised to fight the challenge can be put towards a nondiscrimination law that actually covers the *entire* community! Will it happen??? Wow! This is great news! Now all that money the LGB(t) orgs raised to fight the challenge can be put towards a nondiscrimination law that actually covers the *entire* community!

Will it happen???

]]> By: BlackDog http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86961 BlackDog Thu, 13 Jan 2011 18:54:49 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86961 "Republicans play the political game" Yeah, and if something's a loser they lose it. The basic Republican is pretty mercenary, really (unlike the "social conservatives" who really should simply be termed reactionaries because there's nothing conservative about them.) if something gets them money and/or votes they'll use it. If not, they won't. Of course that means if wearing white after labor day somehow became an issue, they'd pass laws about it. So the whole mercenary thing DOES cause problems, too. Repubs seem to be losing interest in Teh Gay but a lot of 'em are going after illegal immigrants for exactly that reason. “Republicans play the political game”

Yeah, and if something’s a loser they lose it. The basic Republican is pretty mercenary, really (unlike the “social conservatives” who really should simply be termed reactionaries because there’s nothing conservative about them.) if something gets them money and/or votes they’ll use it. If not, they won’t.

Of course that means if wearing white after labor day somehow became an issue, they’d pass laws about it.

So the whole mercenary thing DOES cause problems, too. Repubs seem to be losing interest in Teh Gay but a lot of ‘em are going after illegal immigrants for exactly that reason.

]]> By: customartist http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86944 customartist Thu, 13 Jan 2011 15:06:18 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86944 This means nothing. Republicans play the political game - and they would criminalize us if and when the time comes. THAT will be in the form of an initiative to Amend the US Constitution. They are merely keeping this on the down-low for now. Don't be fooled at election time! This means nothing.

Republicans play the political game – and they would criminalize us if and when the time comes. THAT will be in the form of an initiative to Amend the US Constitution.

They are merely keeping this on the down-low for now. Don’t be fooled at election time!

]]> By: L. Junius Brutus http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86940 L. Junius Brutus Thu, 13 Jan 2011 14:11:52 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86940 02/17/2010 Constitutional Amendment to Define Marriage CACR 28 N "Inexpedient to Legislate" Vote Passed - House (201 - 135) 02/17/2010 Repealing Same-Sex Marriage HB 1590 Y "Inexpedient to Legislate" Vote Passed - House (210 - 109) http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=42659 -- He voted against repealing gay marriage (yes on killing the bill to repeal), and for a constitutional amendment. Interesting. 02/17/2010 Constitutional Amendment to Define Marriage
CACR 28 N “Inexpedient to Legislate” Vote Passed – House
(201 – 135)

02/17/2010 Repealing Same-Sex Marriage
HB 1590 Y “Inexpedient to Legislate” Vote Passed – House
(210 – 109)

http://www.votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=42659

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He voted against repealing gay marriage (yes on killing the bill to repeal), and for a constitutional amendment. Interesting.

]]> By: andrewb http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86930 andrewb Thu, 13 Jan 2011 05:17:51 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86930 No, Bettancourt represents good old fashioned Yankee conservatism. Some of us are old enough to remember Bill Weld, Republican governor of Massachusetts, who did far more for the gay community than his Dem predecessors did -- and yes, his administration put the first GSA's in place -- and it was one of the first priorities. Where I grew up (outside Boston), it was good to be tight with a dollar, but tolerant of your neighbors -- whether gay, straight, white, Jewish, Black, or foreign-born, as long as they worked hard, kept their house, and their kids didn't terrorize the neighborhood. Those values weren't universal, but unlike many other areas of our country, they were mainstream... 30 years ago. Now, it's entirely possible that Bettancourt truly represents a new generation of conservatives... one who realizes that once social issues are removed from the agenda, gays stop voting as a bloc (and many vote as fiscal conservatives). Perhaps he's strategizing ;) No, Bettancourt represents good old fashioned Yankee conservatism. Some of us are old enough to remember Bill Weld, Republican governor of Massachusetts, who did far more for the gay community than his Dem predecessors did — and yes, his administration put the first GSA’s in place — and it was one of the first priorities. Where I grew up (outside Boston), it was good to be tight with a dollar, but tolerant of your neighbors — whether gay, straight, white, Jewish, Black, or foreign-born, as long as they worked hard, kept their house, and their kids didn’t terrorize the neighborhood. Those values weren’t universal, but unlike many other areas of our country, they were mainstream… 30 years ago.

Now, it’s entirely possible that Bettancourt truly represents a new generation of conservatives… one who realizes that once social issues are removed from the agenda, gays stop voting as a bloc (and many vote as fiscal conservatives). Perhaps he’s strategizing ;)

]]> By: Stefan http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/12/29399/comment-page-1#comment-86927 Stefan Thu, 13 Jan 2011 04:34:21 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=29399#comment-86927 He reminds me of the New Jersey Senate Republican who was only 37 who strongly supported marriage equality. He reminds me of the New Jersey Senate Republican who was only 37 who strongly supported marriage equality.

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