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	<title>Comments on: Some newly elected NH Republicans may vote against marriage repeal</title>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read that the wild swings in the NH legislature have been the result of a court-imposed districting plan.  The NH Supreme Court struck down the prior districting method and imposed its own. The legislature developed a new redistricting method, which was approved by the voters in 2006.  During the interim period of 2006-2010, the court-imposed plan was in effect and it was this plan that created the potential for big swings.  

Unfortunately, as far as I understand, the new districting method that was adopted in 2006 goes into effect in 2012.  So there will be no more swings comparable to the one 2010.  The Dems couldn&#039;t have picked a worse time to suffer a huge defeat.

The NH House and Senate likely are artificially lopsided toward the GOP and there should be some settling back, but the chances of the Dems retaking either house would appear to be slim.

If there are any NH experts who could shed some more light on this, I would appreciate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that the wild swings in the NH legislature have been the result of a court-imposed districting plan.  The NH Supreme Court struck down the prior districting method and imposed its own. The legislature developed a new redistricting method, which was approved by the voters in 2006.  During the interim period of 2006-2010, the court-imposed plan was in effect and it was this plan that created the potential for big swings.  </p>
<p>Unfortunately, as far as I understand, the new districting method that was adopted in 2006 goes into effect in 2012.  So there will be no more swings comparable to the one 2010.  The Dems couldn&#8217;t have picked a worse time to suffer a huge defeat.</p>
<p>The NH House and Senate likely are artificially lopsided toward the GOP and there should be some settling back, but the chances of the Dems retaking either house would appear to be slim.</p>
<p>If there are any NH experts who could shed some more light on this, I would appreciate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some Republicans may have noticed that only one election strongly emphasized the marriage vote.  NOM dumped piles of cash into NH to harp on that issue and defeat Lynch.

I think few of them consider their majority to be some sort of mandate for overturning marriage and perhaps a few recognize that the voters actually said quite the opposite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some Republicans may have noticed that only one election strongly emphasized the marriage vote.  NOM dumped piles of cash into NH to harp on that issue and defeat Lynch.</p>
<p>I think few of them consider their majority to be some sort of mandate for overturning marriage and perhaps a few recognize that the voters actually said quite the opposite.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 21:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ryan

&lt;blockquote&gt;But which 40? How many are still currently in office, or were they removed for being RINOs? I can’t find that info.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Some are, some didn&#039;t run again.  You can find the votes at the NH legislature site and compare it to the list of elected officials at the NH sec of state site.  I did this in November and it was my impression that while some didn&#039;t seek reelection, no one lost their seat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ryan</p>
<blockquote><p>But which 40? How many are still currently in office, or were they removed for being RINOs? I can’t find that info.</p></blockquote>
<p>Some are, some didn&#8217;t run again.  You can find the votes at the NH legislature site and compare it to the list of elected officials at the NH sec of state site.  I did this in November and it was my impression that while some didn&#8217;t seek reelection, no one lost their seat.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Lynch said that he won&#039;t run in 2012? Either way 2012 will be better for Democrats since it&#039;s a presidential election year.

And yes, every year it can be put off the better. 2012 will be better then 2011 and 2013 will be better then 2012. It may not even achieve majority support in 2013 since the Democrats are likely to gain back several seats in the legislature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Lynch said that he won&#8217;t run in 2012? Either way 2012 will be better for Democrats since it&#8217;s a presidential election year.</p>
<p>And yes, every year it can be put off the better. 2012 will be better then 2011 and 2013 will be better then 2012. It may not even achieve majority support in 2013 since the Democrats are likely to gain back several seats in the legislature.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Junius Brutus</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Junius Brutus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 19:10:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or if he retires. Considering that he withstood a wave in 2010, I think that it&#039;s unlikely that he will be defeated by a Republican, unless he is dragged down by Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or if he retires. Considering that he withstood a wave in 2010, I think that it&#8217;s unlikely that he will be defeated by a Republican, unless he is dragged down by Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 18:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right, Lynch is done in two years.  If he loses to a Republican, repeal is certain, barring another huge shift in the House makeup again. It will only take a majority for repeal to happen, then.  Sure, NH Republicans are different from AL Republicans.  But they&#039;re still Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right, Lynch is done in two years.  If he loses to a Republican, repeal is certain, barring another huge shift in the House makeup again. It will only take a majority for repeal to happen, then.  Sure, NH Republicans are different from AL Republicans.  But they&#8217;re still Republicans.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 02:25:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alas, Lynch&#039;s term comes up in 2012 (NH has 2-year terms).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alas, Lynch&#8217;s term comes up in 2012 (NH has 2-year terms).</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stefan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are still 26 Republicans who voted against repeal in office now, and I bet there are MANY more new ones among the 120+ new ones. Also, the actual number required to override a veto is 266, not 264.

As far as a Republican governor coming in next term, 2015 is a long ways away (4 years is lightyears in the gay marriage movement), and the Democrats are likely to gain more seats by then and it may not even achieve a majority in the NH House.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are still 26 Republicans who voted against repeal in office now, and I bet there are MANY more new ones among the 120+ new ones. Also, the actual number required to override a veto is 266, not 264.</p>
<p>As far as a Republican governor coming in next term, 2015 is a long ways away (4 years is lightyears in the gay marriage movement), and the Democrats are likely to gain more seats by then and it may not even achieve a majority in the NH House.</p>
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		<title>By: Theo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 20:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that repeal is more likely than not, but not &quot;far more likely&quot; as Ryan says.  The 2010 repeal vote is the best marker, and that vote indicates that it is plausible that we could get the required number of GOP votes.  But it is also true that there has been no published analysis of whether those votes are there today. 

If anyone wants to try to quantify the level of support, here is the roll call for the Feb. 2010 repeal vote:

http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_Status/Roll_calls/billstatus_rcdetails.aspx?vs=82&amp;sy=2010&amp;lb=H&amp;eb=HB1590&amp;sortoption=&amp;txtsessionyear=2010&amp;txttitle=Marriage&amp;ddlsponsors=&amp;lsr=2069  

It is worth noting that 60 representatives, from both parties, did not vote. 

Two factors weighing in our favor, and one against:  In our favor, if the vote is put off until 2012, that will mean 2 years will have passed since the law went into effect.  The longer it stays in effect, the harder it will be to repeal.  Second factor in our favor is that the fight will be to sustain Lynch&#039;s veto.  So the Dems are more likely to stay united.  In 2010, 4 Dems voted for repeal and probably other cross-overs were among the 60 non-voters.

One factor against us:  The repeal supporters are not seeking to dissolve existing SSMs; it would only apply prospectively.  Also, if they are not confident of passage, they are likely to try to package the repeal with an offer some second class DP rights, something less than civil unions. This will be billed as a &quot;moderate&quot; position, i.e., more compassionate than a bare repeal but less radical than allowing SSM to continue.  For some reason, I find this to be more infuriating than a simple repeal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that repeal is more likely than not, but not &#8220;far more likely&#8221; as Ryan says.  The 2010 repeal vote is the best marker, and that vote indicates that it is plausible that we could get the required number of GOP votes.  But it is also true that there has been no published analysis of whether those votes are there today. </p>
<p>If anyone wants to try to quantify the level of support, here is the roll call for the Feb. 2010 repeal vote:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_Status/Roll_calls/billstatus_rcdetails.aspx?vs=82&#038;sy=2010&#038;lb=H&#038;eb=HB1590&#038;sortoption=&#038;txtsessionyear=2010&#038;txttitle=Marriage&#038;ddlsponsors=&#038;lsr=2069" rel="nofollow">http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_Status/Roll_calls/billstatus_rcdetails.aspx?vs=82&#038;sy=2010&#038;lb=H&#038;eb=HB1590&#038;sortoption=&#038;txtsessionyear=2010&#038;txttitle=Marriage&#038;ddlsponsors=&#038;lsr=2069</a>  </p>
<p>It is worth noting that 60 representatives, from both parties, did not vote. </p>
<p>Two factors weighing in our favor, and one against:  In our favor, if the vote is put off until 2012, that will mean 2 years will have passed since the law went into effect.  The longer it stays in effect, the harder it will be to repeal.  Second factor in our favor is that the fight will be to sustain Lynch&#8217;s veto.  So the Dems are more likely to stay united.  In 2010, 4 Dems voted for repeal and probably other cross-overs were among the 60 non-voters.</p>
<p>One factor against us:  The repeal supporters are not seeking to dissolve existing SSMs; it would only apply prospectively.  Also, if they are not confident of passage, they are likely to try to package the repeal with an offer some second class DP rights, something less than civil unions. This will be billed as a &#8220;moderate&#8221; position, i.e., more compassionate than a bare repeal but less radical than allowing SSM to continue.  For some reason, I find this to be more infuriating than a simple repeal.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard W. Fitch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard W. Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Jan 2011 17:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All the more reason to fight that DOMA be abolished pronto. Once that happens all the state bans will fall to the embers.</description>
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