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	<title>Comments on: Denial over Lance Lundsten&#8217;s death</title>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brittany said &quot;Lance wasn’t gay or bullied.
I know, because I’m his best friend.&quot;.

Sure you are(were) Brittany.  And I&#039;m the queen of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brittany said &#8220;Lance wasn’t gay or bullied.<br />
I know, because I’m his best friend.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Sure you are(were) Brittany.  And I&#8217;m the queen of England.</p>
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		<title>By: Brittany Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brittany Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2011 21:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lance wasn&#039;t gay or bullied.
I know, because I&#039;m his best friend.
Stop making stuff up, people. You act like you understand and you know what&#039;s going on.
Not a one of you has a clue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lance wasn&#8217;t gay or bullied.<br />
I know, because I&#8217;m his best friend.<br />
Stop making stuff up, people. You act like you understand and you know what&#8217;s going on.<br />
Not a one of you has a clue.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/25/29964/comment-page-1#comment-87861</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 21:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Throbert, this boy was in a difficult and stressful family and school situation. This would have put serious and excessive stress on a preexisting medical condition.
   Let&#039;s not disregard this, in favor of a scold on whether young Lance committed suicide or not.
 His situation was heartbreaking (literally) as it was.

     Marie Osmond&#039;s son jumped from a high rise building in downtown LA. The speculation on his estrangement from his father was fair and that such a situation was due to the boy&#039;s sexual orientation.

   Gay boys have an especially difficult time with their fathers when they need them the most when it comes to being gay.

     I&#039;ve noticed that some parents turn their pain into action regarding the recent rash of suicides due to anti gay bullying.
  Tyler Clementi&#039;s family has been rather silent in comparison. Which might lead us to FAIRLY speculate that Tyler&#039;s family wouldn&#039;t accept his orientation and likely punish him for it. Like cutting off support for school.
Seth Walsh&#039;s family, on the other hand, are speaking out and becoming activists. Just as Carl Walker-Hoover&#039;s mother did.

   We do not come to these conclusions without merit. We do not rush to judgment based on no clues or no evidence, or lack of experience.
   We speculate in ways that make MUCH more sense than the anti gays who are in denial. Whether they are the parents, or the schools that did nothing to fight against the bullying.

      People this young have a depth of feelings, passions, pain and sensitivity that can hurt us too, just by looking at them and knowing what they must be going through.

     A person assaulted like Lance was, and abandoned by his parents, was living in a world of hurt anyway. His heart was broken in more ways than physically.

     And there were other gay children who knew him, or at least experienced something very similar and lived to tell about it.
  Whether he committed suicide or the strain of being deliberately tormented, his heart was suffering.
  Another beautiful boy is no longer with us and for the same reasons as other beautiful children broken against the wheel of unrelenting judgment on their orientation.

  I don&#039;t care if it was suicide or a heart ailment. What he endured put him at risk. And THAT is what we cannot accept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throbert, this boy was in a difficult and stressful family and school situation. This would have put serious and excessive stress on a preexisting medical condition.<br />
   Let&#8217;s not disregard this, in favor of a scold on whether young Lance committed suicide or not.<br />
 His situation was heartbreaking (literally) as it was.</p>
<p>     Marie Osmond&#8217;s son jumped from a high rise building in downtown LA. The speculation on his estrangement from his father was fair and that such a situation was due to the boy&#8217;s sexual orientation.</p>
<p>   Gay boys have an especially difficult time with their fathers when they need them the most when it comes to being gay.</p>
<p>     I&#8217;ve noticed that some parents turn their pain into action regarding the recent rash of suicides due to anti gay bullying.<br />
  Tyler Clementi&#8217;s family has been rather silent in comparison. Which might lead us to FAIRLY speculate that Tyler&#8217;s family wouldn&#8217;t accept his orientation and likely punish him for it. Like cutting off support for school.<br />
Seth Walsh&#8217;s family, on the other hand, are speaking out and becoming activists. Just as Carl Walker-Hoover&#8217;s mother did.</p>
<p>   We do not come to these conclusions without merit. We do not rush to judgment based on no clues or no evidence, or lack of experience.<br />
   We speculate in ways that make MUCH more sense than the anti gays who are in denial. Whether they are the parents, or the schools that did nothing to fight against the bullying.</p>
<p>      People this young have a depth of feelings, passions, pain and sensitivity that can hurt us too, just by looking at them and knowing what they must be going through.</p>
<p>     A person assaulted like Lance was, and abandoned by his parents, was living in a world of hurt anyway. His heart was broken in more ways than physically.</p>
<p>     And there were other gay children who knew him, or at least experienced something very similar and lived to tell about it.<br />
  Whether he committed suicide or the strain of being deliberately tormented, his heart was suffering.<br />
  Another beautiful boy is no longer with us and for the same reasons as other beautiful children broken against the wheel of unrelenting judgment on their orientation.</p>
<p>  I don&#8217;t care if it was suicide or a heart ailment. What he endured put him at risk. And THAT is what we cannot accept.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/25/29964/comment-page-1#comment-87843</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 16:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So the feeling of semi-estranged family members means more than the truth?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So the feeling of semi-estranged family members means more than the truth?</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy acknowledged we don&#039;t yet know the cause of death. No one should jump to conclusions, nor should we tell a grieving parent how to deal with a tragedy. However I need to point out that like it or not the gay teen suicide &quot;narrative&quot; is actually a real issue, not just a popular story, and I think it&#039;s rather low to accuse Timothy of hoping that was the case so it could better fit the point he&#039;s trying to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy acknowledged we don&#8217;t yet know the cause of death. No one should jump to conclusions, nor should we tell a grieving parent how to deal with a tragedy. However I need to point out that like it or not the gay teen suicide &#8220;narrative&#8221; is actually a real issue, not just a popular story, and I think it&#8217;s rather low to accuse Timothy of hoping that was the case so it could better fit the point he&#8217;s trying to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Throbert McGee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Throbert McGee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 05:10:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim, what evidence do any of us have that Lance&#039;s death was a suicide? 

How do you know it wasn&#039;t, for example, an accidental OD brought on by an injudicious combination of vodka and Robitussin, imbibed for &lt;b&gt;purely recreational purposes&lt;/b&gt; by a young man who &lt;b&gt;fully expected to wake up the next day&lt;/b&gt;, albeit with a hangover?

Reading between the lines in the medical examiner&#039;s comments, it seems to me that they suspect a substance overdose, but they need to wait for the toxicology report before making an informed guess as to whether Lance deliberately and knowingly consumed lethal quantities of [whatever], or if this was more likely a case of teenage &quot;fun&quot; gone tragically awry.

At the present time, you don&#039;t have any basis for excluding an accidental cause of death -- and when you say that Lance&#039;s dad is &quot;in denial,&quot; what it sounds like to me is that you&#039;re merely griping because Mr. Lundsten won&#039;t go along with the Gay Teen Suicide Narrative that you&#039;ve latched onto.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, what evidence do any of us have that Lance&#8217;s death was a suicide? </p>
<p>How do you know it wasn&#8217;t, for example, an accidental OD brought on by an injudicious combination of vodka and Robitussin, imbibed for <b>purely recreational purposes</b> by a young man who <b>fully expected to wake up the next day</b>, albeit with a hangover?</p>
<p>Reading between the lines in the medical examiner&#8217;s comments, it seems to me that they suspect a substance overdose, but they need to wait for the toxicology report before making an informed guess as to whether Lance deliberately and knowingly consumed lethal quantities of [whatever], or if this was more likely a case of teenage &#8220;fun&#8221; gone tragically awry.</p>
<p>At the present time, you don&#8217;t have any basis for excluding an accidental cause of death &#8212; and when you say that Lance&#8217;s dad is &#8220;in denial,&#8221; what it sounds like to me is that you&#8217;re merely griping because Mr. Lundsten won&#8217;t go along with the Gay Teen Suicide Narrative that you&#8217;ve latched onto.</p>
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		<title>By: Candace</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/25/29964/comment-page-1#comment-87812</link>
		<dc:creator>Candace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2011 03:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cardiac edema isn&#039;t a condition.  It&#039;s a SYMPTOM of end-stage heart failure.  Because one side or the other (or both sides) of the heart becomes enlarged due to disease, there is a fluid backup that begins first in the feet and ankles, then progresses to the legs, then the abdomen, then the lungs, and then the heart.  It isn&#039;t something that happens quickly and the symptoms are so awful that an afflicted person would be hospitalized and completely immobilized-- they have severe tachycardia, cough up bloody froth and literally choke to death.  I just don&#039;t see this poor guy being able to walk around in a condition like this.

I understand the heartbreak of a child&#039;s untimely death--trust me on that one-- and I understand that a grieving parent goes through every form of denial possible... especially with a suspected suicide, because we believe that to be the ultimate failure as a parent.  

But respecting the father&#039;s grief doesn&#039;t mean accepting the father&#039;s denial and rationalizations. His son deserves better than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cardiac edema isn&#8217;t a condition.  It&#8217;s a SYMPTOM of end-stage heart failure.  Because one side or the other (or both sides) of the heart becomes enlarged due to disease, there is a fluid backup that begins first in the feet and ankles, then progresses to the legs, then the abdomen, then the lungs, and then the heart.  It isn&#8217;t something that happens quickly and the symptoms are so awful that an afflicted person would be hospitalized and completely immobilized&#8211; they have severe tachycardia, cough up bloody froth and literally choke to death.  I just don&#8217;t see this poor guy being able to walk around in a condition like this.</p>
<p>I understand the heartbreak of a child&#8217;s untimely death&#8211;trust me on that one&#8211; and I understand that a grieving parent goes through every form of denial possible&#8230; especially with a suspected suicide, because we believe that to be the ultimate failure as a parent.  </p>
<p>But respecting the father&#8217;s grief doesn&#8217;t mean accepting the father&#8217;s denial and rationalizations. His son deserves better than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/01/25/29964/comment-page-1#comment-87800</link>
		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2011 22:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Edenloff told City Pages today “I’d much rather report what a family member said than a bunch of kids who didn’t even know what he was all about.”.

In my experience and the experience of all I knew in school, the kids know far better what their friend was all about than the parents do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Edenloff told City Pages today “I’d much rather report what a family member said than a bunch of kids who didn’t even know what he was all about.”.</p>
<p>In my experience and the experience of all I knew in school, the kids know far better what their friend was all about than the parents do.</p>
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