Thus, you will hear this claim from Falzorano, Cohen, and Quinlan, but when you meet any of the ordinary members of the various ex gay groups, you will find that they: 1) are single with no interest in heterosexual dating 2)are married to an ex gay of the opposite sex or 3) acknowledge that they continue to “struggle” with what they call SSA (a term they created to re-medicalize homosexuality).

A recent non-peer reviewed study by Christian “researchers” Jones and Yarhouse found that in the most highly motivated, self-selected group of Exodus members, after 7 years of “treatment” and with all drop-outs discounted from the final results, only a 1 point shift on the Kinsey scale was achieved on average. And even this was on a self-reported basis, from a group of men heavily invested in the outcome, with no independent effort to verify the claim.

The bottom line: if you go to a religious group 3X a week and hound yourself about how your gayness is really a desire to frak your absent father, then in the most optimal group, after 7 years and while treatment is in progress, you can self-report that you think you have gone from a Kinsey 6 to a Kinsey 5.

Nearly 10% of Self-Proclaimed ‘Straight’ Men Only Have Sex With Men
By Daniel J. DeNoon
WebMD Health News
Reviewed by Louise Chang, MD

Sept. 18, 2006 —

Nearly one in 10 men who say they’re straight have sex only with other men, a New York City survey finds.

And 70% of those straight-identified men having sex with men are married.

In fact, 10% of all married men in this survey report same-sex behavior during the past year.

See URL below for the remainder of the article.

Ex-gay ministries who makes what is purportedly scientific claims should at the very least post some reputable verifiable references / cites / URLs wouldn’t you think?

http://www.webmd.com/sex/news/20060918/many-straight-men-have-gay-sex

It would be no help to have current “ex-gays” undergo testing, though, we would need a proactive study measuring key physiological functioning before and after such “therapy.” That would be the only true measure of change.

It’s corrupted conclusion, it’s support of BLACKMAILING someone into submitting to systemic bigotry.
There IS no choice when the alternative is attacks on the entire of your well being, let alone being at all.

Were there no stigma or prejudice and risks involved in being gay, who would ‘choose’ being heterosexual?

Heterosexuals are not forced to forfeit their civil and human rights if they don’t affiliate with a religious discipline or renunciation of a sex life, regardless of how they screw up their lives with adultery, or addiction or violence or anything else to do with whatever relationships they have.
A minority of heteros who do so, are not used to indict the entire of heteros to the same purpose either.
Nor does the ex gay industry point any of this out. That being heterosexual has as many pitfalls as being gay can. The difference is in equal rights and consideration.

I want to see an ex gay be honest about that. Put forth THEIR credentials on the line to prove their moral fortitude about discrimination and religious freedom and civil rights.

But I won’t hold my breath. I know exactly how to call them on this kind of bullshit, as do most of us. Perhaps as a hetero person, they don’t expect me to do that. They aren’t too prepared to have to be challenged in that detail, nor are they too articulate in defending their position to what’s REALLY right, as opposed to what they think is moral.
Morality isn’t about how much control freak you can go on a minority, but how much you want them treated like yourself. But especially those who have been disenfranchised and indecently treated. I guess they don’t expect to be outclassed on what morals really mean either.
I’m in the put up or shut up camp.
I know cowardice when I see it.

Mike, your claim is absurd.

It’s like claiming that a right handed person who has ever picked up an item with their left hand is actually ambidextrous and not right-handed.

It just doesn’t work that way. It’s ridiculous statements like yours that lead other ridiculous people to make the ridiculous claim that there is no such thing as bisexuality.

The problem is how can we know they aren’t straight people with no history of same-sex attraction pretending to be “former homosexuals”?

Ex-Gay Watch was one of the first on the case:

http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2003/08/moral-failing-m/
(This post mentions Richard R. – that is me)

Here is a 2007 update:
http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2007/01/the-newly-refur/