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	<title>Comments on: Alexandria&#8217;s Echo Press ignores Lundsten&#8217;s toxicology report</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Mc</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90466</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Mc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 13:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is another deeper level of story waiting for someone to talk about. It is more sensitive and touchy but the research has shown recently that it is parent&#039;s and family&#039;s support that is key to the metnal health of young LBGT.

What if in some of these overwhelmingly tragic cases, there is a factor in the family environment that has proved to be the trigger for a sucide attempt? 

How does the story get picked up and reported on if there is a family wall of silence? What family would sue the school district then? Or stand up for gay rights?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is another deeper level of story waiting for someone to talk about. It is more sensitive and touchy but the research has shown recently that it is parent&#8217;s and family&#8217;s support that is key to the metnal health of young LBGT.</p>
<p>What if in some of these overwhelmingly tragic cases, there is a factor in the family environment that has proved to be the trigger for a sucide attempt? </p>
<p>How does the story get picked up and reported on if there is a family wall of silence? What family would sue the school district then? Or stand up for gay rights?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90441</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:56:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew...

also, I did &quot;wait a day&quot;.  My commentary went up more than 24 hours after KSAX reported the toxicology results.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew&#8230;</p>
<p>also, I did &#8220;wait a day&#8221;.  My commentary went up more than 24 hours after KSAX reported the toxicology results.</p>
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		<title>By: customartist</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90440</link>
		<dc:creator>customartist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 20:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In cases such as this, when Parents of abused students do not step in to charge, or to sue, school districts, then can outside entities take on the task of defending the victim, ableit after the fact?

If the child was sexually abused, and the parents did not pursue it...?

SOMEONE is responsible here.  Who can stand up for the child?  Social Services?  I would like to see their Departmental Responsibilities. I suspect that they are indeed responsible for pursuing the truth, should the parents or the School Board not choose to do so.

Also, does anyone else find it ironic that an Educator does not seek out the Truth, and relay the factual information, and that he does not reject mistruths?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In cases such as this, when Parents of abused students do not step in to charge, or to sue, school districts, then can outside entities take on the task of defending the victim, ableit after the fact?</p>
<p>If the child was sexually abused, and the parents did not pursue it&#8230;?</p>
<p>SOMEONE is responsible here.  Who can stand up for the child?  Social Services?  I would like to see their Departmental Responsibilities. I suspect that they are indeed responsible for pursuing the truth, should the parents or the School Board not choose to do so.</p>
<p>Also, does anyone else find it ironic that an Educator does not seek out the Truth, and relay the factual information, and that he does not reject mistruths?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90439</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:49:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

Echo Post put up their article after this commentary was posted.  

As for the facts... which ones have I gotten wrong?  I&#039;ll gladly correct any inaccuracies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>Echo Post put up their article after this commentary was posted.  </p>
<p>As for the facts&#8230; which ones have I gotten wrong?  I&#8217;ll gladly correct any inaccuracies.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90436</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark H,

Thanks.  They finally got something up... but what a self-serving piece.  Amazing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark H,</p>
<p>Thanks.  They finally got something up&#8230; but what a self-serving piece.  Amazing.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90433</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 18:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t &quot;for what it&#039;s worth&quot;.  At this time, this blog entry (because that&#039;s what it is - it is neither news, nor fact-checking: it&#039;s inaccurate).  The key fact underpinning the headline is flat out wrong.

Perhaps if Tim took a day to wait until the paper went to press to see if they&#039;d publish the story... 

Perhaps if Tim&#039;s article weren&#039;t written in such an slanted way that anything now would be a wholesale re-write or take-down of the blog, it would be easier.

It&#039;s just that it becomes very hard to be a critic when you get your facts wrong, and when the bias is so strong that correction has to be done with a deletion key.

Incidentally -- if readers were to take Tim&#039;s word for it, and were as active as I&#039;d like to see more of us be -- we&#039;d call up the Echo and demand to know why, after all their comments, they hadn&#039;t run the toxicology story.  And we&#039;d be told that, in fact, the story had run.  Then we&#039;d be asked where we got our bogus information. So, how about for the sake of the site&#039;s reputation, Tim.  Just a little moderation and patience now and again.  Even for the nitwits out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t &#8220;for what it&#8217;s worth&#8221;.  At this time, this blog entry (because that&#8217;s what it is &#8211; it is neither news, nor fact-checking: it&#8217;s inaccurate).  The key fact underpinning the headline is flat out wrong.</p>
<p>Perhaps if Tim took a day to wait until the paper went to press to see if they&#8217;d publish the story&#8230; </p>
<p>Perhaps if Tim&#8217;s article weren&#8217;t written in such an slanted way that anything now would be a wholesale re-write or take-down of the blog, it would be easier.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that it becomes very hard to be a critic when you get your facts wrong, and when the bias is so strong that correction has to be done with a deletion key.</p>
<p>Incidentally &#8212; if readers were to take Tim&#8217;s word for it, and were as active as I&#8217;d like to see more of us be &#8212; we&#8217;d call up the Echo and demand to know why, after all their comments, they hadn&#8217;t run the toxicology story.  And we&#8217;d be told that, in fact, the story had run.  Then we&#8217;d be asked where we got our bogus information. So, how about for the sake of the site&#8217;s reputation, Tim.  Just a little moderation and patience now and again.  Even for the nitwits out there.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce Garrett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce Garrett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 17:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A tiny little article acknowledging that the facts in the case were a little different then what the newspaper was reporting.  I wonder how far back in the print edition they buried it.

Didaskalos...kindly point to where anyone here is calling any of what happened there a win. Another gay teen being bullied to death is not a win. That the nature of his death was being white washed by the local &quot;newspaper&quot; was an outrage, not a win. That there is now an official cause of death they can&#039;t easily sweep under the rug isn&#039;t a win, it&#039;s more like a small shaft of light shining down on a lot of child abusing runts. It doesn&#039;t make you feel good, it makes you feel sick to your stomach.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A tiny little article acknowledging that the facts in the case were a little different then what the newspaper was reporting.  I wonder how far back in the print edition they buried it.</p>
<p>Didaskalos&#8230;kindly point to where anyone here is calling any of what happened there a win. Another gay teen being bullied to death is not a win. That the nature of his death was being white washed by the local &#8220;newspaper&#8221; was an outrage, not a win. That there is now an official cause of death they can&#8217;t easily sweep under the rug isn&#8217;t a win, it&#8217;s more like a small shaft of light shining down on a lot of child abusing runts. It doesn&#8217;t make you feel good, it makes you feel sick to your stomach.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark H.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/03/08/31208/comment-page-1#comment-90394</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 07:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For what it&#039;s worth, I just went to the Echo Press site and there&#039;s a short article on the front page. &quot;18-year-old&#039;s death in Miltona determined to be suicide&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I just went to the Echo Press site and there&#8217;s a short article on the front page. &#8220;18-year-old&#8217;s death in Miltona determined to be suicide&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 03:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didaskalos, what planet are you from?  No one here has suggested that this suicide was a &quot;win&quot; and certainly no one feels that way.  The concern is that anti-gay bullying was at least part of the cause and many people tried to cover it up to avoid taking any action to remedy that.  The people here want to put an end to it but it seems you want to be complicite in the conspiracy of silence and abet future suicides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didaskalos, what planet are you from?  No one here has suggested that this suicide was a &#8220;win&#8221; and certainly no one feels that way.  The concern is that anti-gay bullying was at least part of the cause and many people tried to cover it up to avoid taking any action to remedy that.  The people here want to put an end to it but it seems you want to be complicite in the conspiracy of silence and abet future suicides.</p>
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		<title>By: tristram</title>
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		<dc:creator>tristram</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Mar 2011 02:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heartbreaking - yet again. 

My thanks and sympathy to Lance&#039;s grandparents and friends. 

And thanks to BTB for calling out the people who should have supported and protected Lance, but who failed so miserably and whose first concern was to exculpate themselves and justify their mean-spirited, nasty little world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heartbreaking &#8211; yet again. </p>
<p>My thanks and sympathy to Lance&#8217;s grandparents and friends. </p>
<p>And thanks to BTB for calling out the people who should have supported and protected Lance, but who failed so miserably and whose first concern was to exculpate themselves and justify their mean-spirited, nasty little world.</p>
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