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	<title>Comments on: Scott Lively&#8217;s Sixth Sense: &#8220;I See Gay People&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 20:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben in Oakland,

I&#039;ve often wondered about the incomes of anti-gay luminaries. I suspect, though, that the true obsessive/compulsives, like Lively and LaBarbera, would do it even for a subsistence level of income. They simply cannot help themselves. Those two are self-employed homosexualists. (As an aside: If they were forced to seek a real job, it would be fun to read their resumes. I&#039;d love to read their lists of job functions over the years, and particularly their lists of accomplishments.)

Others, such as Maggie Gallagher, who loom very large among anti-gay luminaries, are another story. I&#039;d love to know how much loot Maggie is hauling in. Surely, it&#039;s the only reason her Hindu husband sticks around, and is willing to remain hidden away in the attic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben in Oakland,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often wondered about the incomes of anti-gay luminaries. I suspect, though, that the true obsessive/compulsives, like Lively and LaBarbera, would do it even for a subsistence level of income. They simply cannot help themselves. Those two are self-employed homosexualists. (As an aside: If they were forced to seek a real job, it would be fun to read their resumes. I&#8217;d love to read their lists of job functions over the years, and particularly their lists of accomplishments.)</p>
<p>Others, such as Maggie Gallagher, who loom very large among anti-gay luminaries, are another story. I&#8217;d love to know how much loot Maggie is hauling in. Surely, it&#8217;s the only reason her Hindu husband sticks around, and is willing to remain hidden away in the attic.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Timothy, exactly. As far as being &lt;i&gt;&quot;focused solely on the mechanics of sex&quot;&lt;/i&gt; goes, I suppose there are two components to it. One, of course, is that they are obsessed with sex, but the other is that it&#039;s useful as a means of dehumanizing us.

But I&#039;m not sure that their dehumanizing is so much deliberate, as it may be a byproduct of who they are. For fanatical Christians, all humans are, by definition, stinking pieces of crap until such time as they demonstrate submission to the correct belief system. So, in some sense, they are dehumanizing themselves. That seems to be the reason it&#039;s so easy, for example, for them to redefine &quot;loathing the homosexual&quot; as &quot;loving the homosexual.&quot; The genuine emotion of love has been wrung out of them and replaced by empty statements in conformance with the belief system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Timothy, exactly. As far as being <i>&#8220;focused solely on the mechanics of sex&#8221;</i> goes, I suppose there are two components to it. One, of course, is that they are obsessed with sex, but the other is that it&#8217;s useful as a means of dehumanizing us.</p>
<p>But I&#8217;m not sure that their dehumanizing is so much deliberate, as it may be a byproduct of who they are. For fanatical Christians, all humans are, by definition, stinking pieces of crap until such time as they demonstrate submission to the correct belief system. So, in some sense, they are dehumanizing themselves. That seems to be the reason it&#8217;s so easy, for example, for them to redefine &#8220;loathing the homosexual&#8221; as &#8220;loving the homosexual.&#8221; The genuine emotion of love has been wrung out of them and replaced by empty statements in conformance with the belief system.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 19:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy-- you left out being able to earn a pretty swell living while obsessing about something which you disapprove so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy&#8211; you left out being able to earn a pretty swell living while obsessing about something which you disapprove so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

I think the difference between healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality having a professional interest and the type of attention paid by Lively and Barber and LaBarbera is that the former is interested in the psychological, cultural, or interpersonal dynamics of gay people, while the latter is focused solely on the mechanics of sex, the more fetishized the better.

A heterosexual with professional interest might attend a Men of Leather event to interview participants and study perceptions of masculinity, for example, while LaBarbera just wants to take pictures of bare butts and attend the most salacious S&amp;M workshop possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>I think the difference between healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality having a professional interest and the type of attention paid by Lively and Barber and LaBarbera is that the former is interested in the psychological, cultural, or interpersonal dynamics of gay people, while the latter is focused solely on the mechanics of sex, the more fetishized the better.</p>
<p>A heterosexual with professional interest might attend a Men of Leather event to interview participants and study perceptions of masculinity, for example, while LaBarbera just wants to take pictures of bare butts and attend the most salacious S&#038;M workshop possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 18:12:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To clarify, I think that &lt;i&gt;&quot;healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality&quot;&lt;/i&gt; could certainly have a professional interest in homosexuality as a fascinating phenomenon for genuine scientific study and research. But, of course, Lively/Barber/LaBarbera&#039;s obsessive interest in the subject only extends as far as devising preposterous theories to support their own preexisting consuming need to persecute us, and to motivate others to persecute us. And that doesn&#039;t constitute a deep interest in a subject; it constitutes a deep psychological problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To clarify, I think that <i>&#8220;healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality&#8221;</i> could certainly have a professional interest in homosexuality as a fascinating phenomenon for genuine scientific study and research. But, of course, Lively/Barber/LaBarbera&#8217;s obsessive interest in the subject only extends as far as devising preposterous theories to support their own preexisting consuming need to persecute us, and to motivate others to persecute us. And that doesn&#8217;t constitute a deep interest in a subject; it constitutes a deep psychological problem.</p>
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		<title>By: BlackDog</title>
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		<dc:creator>BlackDog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 17:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just don&#039;t understand how some people can be so fixated and obsessive about other people&#039;s sexuality, period.

Scott Lively creeps me out, not least because he didn&#039;t seem too bothered by having a pedophile manage his coffee shop, but also because I know from personal experience that obsession about someone else&#039;s personal life and sex life can lead to stalking and whatnot. (For the record, I was stalked by a woman) I guess I just get a &quot;creepy&quot; vibe from a lot of these anti-gay guys.

I&#039;m not sure he&#039;s gay, truth be told I don&#039;t really care...but to me such obsession about sex (gay or otherwise) really seems indicative of some sort of problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just don&#8217;t understand how some people can be so fixated and obsessive about other people&#8217;s sexuality, period.</p>
<p>Scott Lively creeps me out, not least because he didn&#8217;t seem too bothered by having a pedophile manage his coffee shop, but also because I know from personal experience that obsession about someone else&#8217;s personal life and sex life can lead to stalking and whatnot. (For the record, I was stalked by a woman) I guess I just get a &#8220;creepy&#8221; vibe from a lot of these anti-gay guys.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure he&#8217;s gay, truth be told I don&#8217;t really care&#8230;but to me such obsession about sex (gay or otherwise) really seems indicative of some sort of problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2011 15:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want him to be gay either.

but I would like him to be arrested at a rest stop while getting serviced by a prominent bishop of any anti-gay church.

That would be very satisfying.

Richard-- good point. How do you immerse yourself in the gay lively-style without actually being one of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want him to be gay either.</p>
<p>but I would like him to be arrested at a rest stop while getting serviced by a prominent bishop of any anti-gay church.</p>
<p>That would be very satisfying.</p>
<p>Richard&#8211; good point. How do you immerse yourself in the gay lively-style without actually being one of them?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No no no no no no no

I&#039;ll happily accept Gandhi and somewhat bemusedly take in Malcolm X.  But please Dear God don&#039;t let Scott Lively end up as part of my community.  Please let the camp of &#039;hetero missionary position only and then while desperately trying not to have too much lust&#039; crowd keep him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No no no no no no no</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll happily accept Gandhi and somewhat bemusedly take in Malcolm X.  But please Dear God don&#8217;t let Scott Lively end up as part of my community.  Please let the camp of &#8216;hetero missionary position only and then while desperately trying not to have too much lust&#8217; crowd keep him.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 23:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While Scott Lively&#039;s sexual orientation is, admittedly, still a matter of speculation, it is surely accurate to say that he is 100% homosexually oriented (and obsessed). Like the Barber/LaBarbera duo, his life is completely immersed in homosexuality. Not only does his livelihood depend on homosexuality, but he surely thinks about, writes about, or talks about it 24/7. An appropriate name for his professional job-category is probably &quot;&lt;i&gt;homosexualist&lt;/i&gt;&quot; (similar to biologist, etc.). And then it would be accurate to say he is living the homosexualist lifestyle.

I just don&#039;t think that healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality would immerse themselves so deeply and completely into homosexuality. They would be captivated by a world full of much more interesting things to do with their lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Scott Lively&#8217;s sexual orientation is, admittedly, still a matter of speculation, it is surely accurate to say that he is 100% homosexually oriented (and obsessed). Like the Barber/LaBarbera duo, his life is completely immersed in homosexuality. Not only does his livelihood depend on homosexuality, but he surely thinks about, writes about, or talks about it 24/7. An appropriate name for his professional job-category is probably &#8220;<i>homosexualist</i>&#8221; (similar to biologist, etc.). And then it would be accurate to say he is living the homosexualist lifestyle.</p>
<p>I just don&#8217;t think that healthy heterosexuals who are secure in their sexuality would immerse themselves so deeply and completely into homosexuality. They would be captivated by a world full of much more interesting things to do with their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:28:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sheesh, the same things were blabbered when Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. Thousands of years of historical traditions flushed down the outhouse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sheesh, the same things were blabbered when Abraham Lincoln freed the slaves. Thousands of years of historical traditions flushed down the outhouse.</p>
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