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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy, I have vast respect for you. Without you and Rachel Maddow, I truly believe we would have seen a massacre in Uganda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy, I have vast respect for you. Without you and Rachel Maddow, I truly believe we would have seen a massacre in Uganda.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EA, yeah &quot;those who oppose us&quot; is pretty good.  And there&#039;s no reason not to point out when they are Christians (as long as it doesn&#039;t appear universal).  I think you get where I&#039;m coming from on this.

I don&#039;t want to diminish the evil (and yes that is the right word) that was done to you or the motivations behind it.  And I do appreciate your perspective and contribution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EA, yeah &#8220;those who oppose us&#8221; is pretty good.  And there&#8217;s no reason not to point out when they are Christians (as long as it doesn&#8217;t appear universal).  I think you get where I&#8217;m coming from on this.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to diminish the evil (and yes that is the right word) that was done to you or the motivations behind it.  And I do appreciate your perspective and contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, drat, hit post when I meant preview.

I can not directly answer your question as to who hates whom without making statements you don&#039;t want here.
There is a bracelet on my left arm, covering that scar:
Odia inextinguibili, dolebunt hoc is inscribed on it. Not quite perfect Latin, but inscribing it stopped the nightmares.

That sums up my perspective on the matter.

Our goals overlap to the extent we desire the full restoration of our human and civil rights. Again - it&#039;s your blog, tell me what terms to use and I&#039;ll play by your rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, drat, hit post when I meant preview.</p>
<p>I can not directly answer your question as to who hates whom without making statements you don&#8217;t want here.<br />
There is a bracelet on my left arm, covering that scar:<br />
Odia inextinguibili, dolebunt hoc is inscribed on it. Not quite perfect Latin, but inscribing it stopped the nightmares.</p>
<p>That sums up my perspective on the matter.</p>
<p>Our goals overlap to the extent we desire the full restoration of our human and civil rights. Again &#8211; it&#8217;s your blog, tell me what terms to use and I&#8217;ll play by your rules.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Apr 2011 00:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alright, Timothy, it&#039;s your blog and if I want to play in it, I have to follow your rules.
Would you accept &quot;those who oppose us&quot; as a suitable term?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alright, Timothy, it&#8217;s your blog and if I want to play in it, I have to follow your rules.<br />
Would you accept &#8220;those who oppose us&#8221; as a suitable term?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Apr 2011 23:15:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Enough Already,

you are wearing out my patience with your &quot;Christians who hate us&quot; mantra.  

Yes, I know your past and how it has skewed your thinking and made you associate &quot;Christian&quot; with the people who hurt you.  But it is not reflective of reality.

In the US and Europe, the majority (yep, and probably by a huge margin) don&#039;t hate us.  A sizable percentage of Christians fully endorse civil equality and about a third are somewhere in the process of fully including GLBT people into their church.

And while more than half of every-week church-going Christians do not support marriage equality (but do support overturning DADT), it isn&#039;t because they &quot;hate&quot; us.  Mostly they just hold old prejudices and fear that they are losing their way of life.  And guess what... most of them are like Marinelli, approachable.  Changeable.

And ya know something, you probably hate Christians WAY more than most Christians hate gays.  (am I not correct about that?)

Yeah, there are some who hate us.  A very small number.  

But guess what... they aren&#039;t all Christian.  Some are of other faiths, and many are not particularly religious at all.

Seeing our opposition as &quot;Christians who hate us&quot; blinds us to seeing who they really are, why they are opposing us, and what we can do about it.

And its annoying as hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Enough Already,</p>
<p>you are wearing out my patience with your &#8220;Christians who hate us&#8221; mantra.  </p>
<p>Yes, I know your past and how it has skewed your thinking and made you associate &#8220;Christian&#8221; with the people who hurt you.  But it is not reflective of reality.</p>
<p>In the US and Europe, the majority (yep, and probably by a huge margin) don&#8217;t hate us.  A sizable percentage of Christians fully endorse civil equality and about a third are somewhere in the process of fully including GLBT people into their church.</p>
<p>And while more than half of every-week church-going Christians do not support marriage equality (but do support overturning DADT), it isn&#8217;t because they &#8220;hate&#8221; us.  Mostly they just hold old prejudices and fear that they are losing their way of life.  And guess what&#8230; most of them are like Marinelli, approachable.  Changeable.</p>
<p>And ya know something, you probably hate Christians WAY more than most Christians hate gays.  (am I not correct about that?)</p>
<p>Yeah, there are some who hate us.  A very small number.  </p>
<p>But guess what&#8230; they aren&#8217;t all Christian.  Some are of other faiths, and many are not particularly religious at all.</p>
<p>Seeing our opposition as &#8220;Christians who hate us&#8221; blinds us to seeing who they really are, why they are opposing us, and what we can do about it.</p>
<p>And its annoying as hell.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Less hate is always good.

When it comes to those Christians who hate us, definitely.

Now, only time will show whether this young man actually has &quot;the goods&quot; on NOM &amp;Co. Their rather absurd attempts to discount him - disown him, really, suggest to me that he probably had a deeper relationship to them then just driving a bus and pounding keys on a PC.

What is important, at least to me, is that he saw the hatred of the Christians he worked with and contrasted it with the real people he was supposed to be hating. And he couldn&#039;t.

That is maturity, whatever else one may think about him.

In every war, there has come a time when it was just plain common sense to welcome those of the enemy who were willing to change sides.

On a practical level, he might prove to have useful information with which to attack NOM. Be a great pity to lose it out of misplaced revenge.
Within the limits of the law, attack and destroy everything Mrs. Srivastav stands for - yes, please. Very much, yes.

Kick him in the teeth for publicly apologizing for working for that level of despicability? No.
Wasteful - both in the kicking and the potential loss of information. Not to mention in how it discourages others who want to change from being hatred pure to decent human beings.

The financial backers of NOM have fought every single court order for a reason. If we could expose them, that would be a big step forward. This might be a start - but only if we don&#039;t mistreat him. He might or might not know enough to bring them down. Another person without his strength of character well might.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Less hate is always good.</p>
<p>When it comes to those Christians who hate us, definitely.</p>
<p>Now, only time will show whether this young man actually has &#8220;the goods&#8221; on NOM &amp;Co. Their rather absurd attempts to discount him &#8211; disown him, really, suggest to me that he probably had a deeper relationship to them then just driving a bus and pounding keys on a PC.</p>
<p>What is important, at least to me, is that he saw the hatred of the Christians he worked with and contrasted it with the real people he was supposed to be hating. And he couldn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>That is maturity, whatever else one may think about him.</p>
<p>In every war, there has come a time when it was just plain common sense to welcome those of the enemy who were willing to change sides.</p>
<p>On a practical level, he might prove to have useful information with which to attack NOM. Be a great pity to lose it out of misplaced revenge.<br />
Within the limits of the law, attack and destroy everything Mrs. Srivastav stands for &#8211; yes, please. Very much, yes.</p>
<p>Kick him in the teeth for publicly apologizing for working for that level of despicability? No.<br />
Wasteful &#8211; both in the kicking and the potential loss of information. Not to mention in how it discourages others who want to change from being hatred pure to decent human beings.</p>
<p>The financial backers of NOM have fought every single court order for a reason. If we could expose them, that would be a big step forward. This might be a start &#8211; but only if we don&#8217;t mistreat him. He might or might not know enough to bring them down. Another person without his strength of character well might.</p>
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		<title>By: RachelwasHere</title>
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		<dc:creator>RachelwasHere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 21:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only one that&#039;s bothered by the way this guy is being described? HRC called him a &quot;Top Strategist&quot;. 

Please. He started a FB page posting hate that gained a lot of followers, started trying to set up the tour idea and then merged it all with NOM after which point he seems to have done little more than blog (what this site describes as unhinged blog posts) and drive the bus. 

By all accounts his NOM relationship extends about a year and after they shared admin of the FB group we don&#039;t even know how hands-on he was with anything. His own page&#039;s About Me says he has been teaching English in Russia since January 2010 (obvs with the exception of the tour).

Doesn&#039;t sound like a likely &quot;top strategist&quot; to me.

Less hate is good, but I&#039;m uncomfortable with someone who supports my rights but still thinks I have a mental disorder and pose a public health risk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only one that&#8217;s bothered by the way this guy is being described? HRC called him a &#8220;Top Strategist&#8221;. </p>
<p>Please. He started a FB page posting hate that gained a lot of followers, started trying to set up the tour idea and then merged it all with NOM after which point he seems to have done little more than blog (what this site describes as unhinged blog posts) and drive the bus. </p>
<p>By all accounts his NOM relationship extends about a year and after they shared admin of the FB group we don&#8217;t even know how hands-on he was with anything. His own page&#8217;s About Me says he has been teaching English in Russia since January 2010 (obvs with the exception of the tour).</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t sound like a likely &#8220;top strategist&#8221; to me.</p>
<p>Less hate is good, but I&#8217;m uncomfortable with someone who supports my rights but still thinks I have a mental disorder and pose a public health risk.</p>
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		<title>By: Soren456</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soren456</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Apr 2011 01:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark F.:

He &quot;disagrees&quot; with homosexuality; he says it several times.

It&#039;s the same thoughtless nonsense spoken by those who say they &quot;don&#039;t condone&quot; homosexuaity, or &quot;don&#039;t support&quot; homosexuality. 

Yes, it&#039;s silly. But that&#039;s how those people speak and think: in nonsense. The basis for this is twofold: 1) that homosexuality is a choice (which they can&#039;t &quot;support&quot;) and 2) that homosexuality is purely sexual behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark F.:</p>
<p>He &#8220;disagrees&#8221; with homosexuality; he says it several times.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same thoughtless nonsense spoken by those who say they &#8220;don&#8217;t condone&#8221; homosexuaity, or &#8220;don&#8217;t support&#8221; homosexuality. </p>
<p>Yes, it&#8217;s silly. But that&#8217;s how those people speak and think: in nonsense. The basis for this is twofold: 1) that homosexuality is a choice (which they can&#8217;t &#8220;support&#8221;) and 2) that homosexuality is purely sexual behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark F.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark F.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 23:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Soren456 He may just disagree with gay people having sex. Obviously, it&#039;s silly to &quot;disagree&quot; with same sex attraction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Soren456 He may just disagree with gay people having sex. Obviously, it&#8217;s silly to &#8220;disagree&#8221; with same sex attraction.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Apr 2011 17:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,
That would be an elephant graveyard. Or maybe, La Breya tarp pits redux for mastodons.

The good news is, NOM is foolishly lying now that he was just a volunteer bus driver who did some web design for the. Nothing to look at just move along.

He&#039;s bound to have dirt on them. Let&#039;s hope they provoke him. Ego, he&#039;s not short of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,<br />
That would be an elephant graveyard. Or maybe, La Breya tarp pits redux for mastodons.</p>
<p>The good news is, NOM is foolishly lying now that he was just a volunteer bus driver who did some web design for the. Nothing to look at just move along.</p>
<p>He&#8217;s bound to have dirt on them. Let&#8217;s hope they provoke him. Ego, he&#8217;s not short of.</p>
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