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		<title>By: princess</title>
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		<dc:creator>princess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Oct 2011 21:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow,people did you see the work of God himself......Timo is free and his autorney said he can&#039;t even explain it! Wakeup people in America.....Praise the Lord! I told you people last comment that God will not let Lisa be found and that is exactly what is happening....Miracles!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow,people did you see the work of God himself&#8230;&#8230;Timo is free and his autorney said he can&#8217;t even explain it! Wakeup people in America&#8230;..Praise the Lord! I told you people last comment that God will not let Lisa be found and that is exactly what is happening&#8230;.Miracles!</p>
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		<title>By: Queen</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/04/25/32061/comment-page-1#comment-93327</link>
		<dc:creator>Queen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 22:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Princess...Time to go beddy bye Dear</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Princess&#8230;Time to go beddy bye Dear</p>
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		<title>By: Argo</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/04/25/32061/comment-page-1#comment-93322</link>
		<dc:creator>Argo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 20:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe princess will understand it this way:
1 Peter 2:13-15 &quot;Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.  For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.&quot;[NIV]

Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did not run away from judgment; Jonah did.  And as Jonah was sent to Ninevah despite himself, Lisa Miller will be returned to the US for judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe princess will understand it this way:<br />
1 Peter 2:13-15 &#8220;Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every human authority: whether to the emperor, as the supreme authority, or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right.  For it is God’s will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish people.&#8221;[NIV]</p>
<p>Shadrach, Meshach and Abednego did not run away from judgment; Jonah did.  And as Jonah was sent to Ninevah despite himself, Lisa Miller will be returned to the US for judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Princess, were you home-schooled?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Princess, were you home-schooled?</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:22:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahem,

all of the &quot;you don&#039;t have a sense of humor&quot;, &quot;no, YOU don&#039;t&quot; stuff isn&#039;t really adding much here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahem,</p>
<p>all of the &#8220;you don&#8217;t have a sense of humor&#8221;, &#8220;no, YOU don&#8217;t&#8221; stuff isn&#8217;t really adding much here.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/04/25/32061/comment-page-1#comment-93316</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Princess, sweetie, this may come as a shock (so maybe you should sit down), but the Bible wasn&#039;t written in English.  

And the New Testament that you so enjoy, wasn&#039;t even compiled for hundreds of years after Jesus lived.

Everything that you think is the Bible is a politically selected collection of writing (they voted on what to include and what to leave out) which were copies of copies of copies.  And what you have is primarily an English translation of Greek copies which rely heavily on previous Latin interpretation.

Now, sweetie, I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve ever tried to learn a new language, but if so you will know that words don&#039;t always translate directly.

For example, &quot;Papi&quot; is a Spanish word that means &quot;father&quot;.  But if you were to translate &quot;Ai papi!&quot; as &quot;Oh, Father&quot; you would probably be talking about incest.

And guess what, Princess.  Again, this may be hard for your little ears to hear.  But the copies of copies sometimes included mistakes.  We know this because they were dispersed throughout the world, and when compared a thousand years later they were different.

And some of the parts of the King James Bible weren&#039;t even part of the original text, because those interpreters used versions that were more recent and the older copies didn&#039;t have those verses.  They were added at some point.

For example, princess dear, I&#039;m sure you know the story of the man by the pool whom Jesus healed in John 5:

&lt;blockquote&gt;1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.

2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.

3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;waiting for the moving of the water.

4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;

5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

But, oh my goodness, that entire part that I highlighted about the angel... it wasn&#039;t in the original text.  Your Bible, princess, was wrong!! Oh, Lord have mercy.

We don&#039;t have the originals.  We don&#039;t even have any copies that were made within hundreds of years of the originals.

I know this is so confusing, princess.  Here you came with your Bible ready to tell us what God says... and we just didn&#039;t sit up and say &quot;amen&quot;.

But it isn&#039;t because we&#039;re heathens that hate God - even if your mommy and your preacher told you so.  It&#039;s because we know a lot more about the Bible than you do, Princess. A great big bunch more.

Some of us don&#039;t believe in any gods and some of us are devout Christians or people of other faith.  But we all share an adult recognition that it is foolish to think that reading the King James Version of the Bible - or any translation, really - provides the context, culture, and perspective that the original authors intended.

Intelligent Christians look to the Bible as a spiritual guide full of wisdom and principles for living your life.  Those who just aren&#039;t very smart or very educated try to read it like a rule book.  Those who are particularly lacking in intellect and perspective think that it&#039;s a tool to slap down the people they don&#039;t like.

Sadly, princess, you fit in the latter category.  But maybe when you get a little older, you will mature a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Princess, sweetie, this may come as a shock (so maybe you should sit down), but the Bible wasn&#8217;t written in English.  </p>
<p>And the New Testament that you so enjoy, wasn&#8217;t even compiled for hundreds of years after Jesus lived.</p>
<p>Everything that you think is the Bible is a politically selected collection of writing (they voted on what to include and what to leave out) which were copies of copies of copies.  And what you have is primarily an English translation of Greek copies which rely heavily on previous Latin interpretation.</p>
<p>Now, sweetie, I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve ever tried to learn a new language, but if so you will know that words don&#8217;t always translate directly.</p>
<p>For example, &#8220;Papi&#8221; is a Spanish word that means &#8220;father&#8221;.  But if you were to translate &#8220;Ai papi!&#8221; as &#8220;Oh, Father&#8221; you would probably be talking about incest.</p>
<p>And guess what, Princess.  Again, this may be hard for your little ears to hear.  But the copies of copies sometimes included mistakes.  We know this because they were dispersed throughout the world, and when compared a thousand years later they were different.</p>
<p>And some of the parts of the King James Bible weren&#8217;t even part of the original text, because those interpreters used versions that were more recent and the older copies didn&#8217;t have those verses.  They were added at some point.</p>
<p>For example, princess dear, I&#8217;m sure you know the story of the man by the pool whom Jesus healed in John 5:</p>
<blockquote><p>1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.</p>
<p>2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep market a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.</p>
<p>3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, <i><b>waiting for the moving of the water.</p>
<p>4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.</b></i></p>
<p>5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years. </p></blockquote>
<p>But, oh my goodness, that entire part that I highlighted about the angel&#8230; it wasn&#8217;t in the original text.  Your Bible, princess, was wrong!! Oh, Lord have mercy.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t have the originals.  We don&#8217;t even have any copies that were made within hundreds of years of the originals.</p>
<p>I know this is so confusing, princess.  Here you came with your Bible ready to tell us what God says&#8230; and we just didn&#8217;t sit up and say &#8220;amen&#8221;.</p>
<p>But it isn&#8217;t because we&#8217;re heathens that hate God &#8211; even if your mommy and your preacher told you so.  It&#8217;s because we know a lot more about the Bible than you do, Princess. A great big bunch more.</p>
<p>Some of us don&#8217;t believe in any gods and some of us are devout Christians or people of other faith.  But we all share an adult recognition that it is foolish to think that reading the King James Version of the Bible &#8211; or any translation, really &#8211; provides the context, culture, and perspective that the original authors intended.</p>
<p>Intelligent Christians look to the Bible as a spiritual guide full of wisdom and principles for living your life.  Those who just aren&#8217;t very smart or very educated try to read it like a rule book.  Those who are particularly lacking in intellect and perspective think that it&#8217;s a tool to slap down the people they don&#8217;t like.</p>
<p>Sadly, princess, you fit in the latter category.  But maybe when you get a little older, you will mature a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:48:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yup, it was &lt;i&gt;far too personal&lt;/i&gt;.

And, yes, you are totally lacking in any measure of humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yup, it was <i>far too personal</i>.</p>
<p>And, yes, you are totally lacking in any measure of humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Argo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Argo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 18:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OT
So the justification for your screed is &quot;She started it&quot;?  Mary, please! Talk about things mommy and daddy should have taught you.  My earlier comment came across perhaps more personal than I intended.  The entire thread was getting off into viciousness and needed a cool down.

As for being hateful, even though Princess is not the &lt;i&gt;most&lt;/i&gt; hateful Christian I&#039;ve ever come across, returning the hate is counterproductive and just serves to confirm their prejudices and entrench their position.

AR ≠ incest, Southern ≠ ignorant, and Christian ≠ fundamentalist
Of all people, the LGBTQ community should strive to be beyond prejudiced stereotyping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OT<br />
So the justification for your screed is &#8220;She started it&#8221;?  Mary, please! Talk about things mommy and daddy should have taught you.  My earlier comment came across perhaps more personal than I intended.  The entire thread was getting off into viciousness and needed a cool down.</p>
<p>As for being hateful, even though Princess is not the <i>most</i> hateful Christian I&#8217;ve ever come across, returning the hate is counterproductive and just serves to confirm their prejudices and entrench their position.</p>
<p>AR ≠ incest, Southern ≠ ignorant, and Christian ≠ fundamentalist<br />
Of all people, the LGBTQ community should strive to be beyond prejudiced stereotyping.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/04/25/32061/comment-page-1#comment-93303</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well SAID, Priya Lynn!

  Princess, we don&#039;t live in a theocracy, where the fluid and inconsistent whims of people of faith take precedence over secular standards of civil law.
Obviously, by your standards, I doubt YOU&#039;D have the freedoms and rights you enjoy because women are treated badly in the most theocratic of countries.

    Most people like you are exceptionally ignorant about how civil law and our Constitution actually works, but when your ass is up shit creek, you&#039;ll invoke the very laws you denigrate.

   More evidence of the intellectual and moral cowardice of people like you. Miller doesn&#039;t believe in God, whatsoever and neither do you. You count on mere mortals to DO your dirty work, while expecting God to take the blame for what you do.

  Cowards, and liars are a disgrace and certainly shouldn&#039;t be claiming God is on their side when they are busted for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well SAID, Priya Lynn!</p>
<p>  Princess, we don&#8217;t live in a theocracy, where the fluid and inconsistent whims of people of faith take precedence over secular standards of civil law.<br />
Obviously, by your standards, I doubt YOU&#8217;D have the freedoms and rights you enjoy because women are treated badly in the most theocratic of countries.</p>
<p>    Most people like you are exceptionally ignorant about how civil law and our Constitution actually works, but when your ass is up shit creek, you&#8217;ll invoke the very laws you denigrate.</p>
<p>   More evidence of the intellectual and moral cowardice of people like you. Miller doesn&#8217;t believe in God, whatsoever and neither do you. You count on mere mortals to DO your dirty work, while expecting God to take the blame for what you do.</p>
<p>  Cowards, and liars are a disgrace and certainly shouldn&#8217;t be claiming God is on their side when they are busted for it.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 15:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Princess when you say Janet is not a parent its obvious that despite your claims to the contrary you don&#039;t believe adoptive parents are parents.  That one has passed on their genes is trivial, raising a child is what a real parent is about.  Janet Jenkins is just as much, no, more of a parent than Lisa Miller ever was.

If your god was on Timothy Miller&#039;s side he&#039;d have never been found out and charged in the first place.  He&#039;s going to be punished and rightfully so and there is nothing your imaginary god can do about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Princess when you say Janet is not a parent its obvious that despite your claims to the contrary you don&#8217;t believe adoptive parents are parents.  That one has passed on their genes is trivial, raising a child is what a real parent is about.  Janet Jenkins is just as much, no, more of a parent than Lisa Miller ever was.</p>
<p>If your god was on Timothy Miller&#8217;s side he&#8217;d have never been found out and charged in the first place.  He&#8217;s going to be punished and rightfully so and there is nothing your imaginary god can do about it.</p>
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