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	<title>Comments on: Minnesota Senate Committee Advances Marriage Ban</title>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 13:52:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only thing I see different from their previous attempts to define marriage is that they are only defining marriage itself in the constitution. The amendment is so basic this time around that Minnesota could allow &quot;everything-but-marriage&quot; civil unions to be passed by a more pro-gay friendly legislature.

Yes, civil unions aren&#039;t equal and I don&#039;t like them either but with the amendment process in Minnesota so easy to use, who&#039;s to say that the same pro-gay friendly legislature or another one down the road couldn&#039;t pass a repeal amendment and put it on the ballot. The anti-gays are so keen on letting the people vote on our rights but won&#039;t they be surprised if a state rejects this amendment. Time is on equality&#039;s side and the change in this amendment proves it. If I was living in Minnesota, I would be working with Outfront at every possible moment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only thing I see different from their previous attempts to define marriage is that they are only defining marriage itself in the constitution. The amendment is so basic this time around that Minnesota could allow &#8220;everything-but-marriage&#8221; civil unions to be passed by a more pro-gay friendly legislature.</p>
<p>Yes, civil unions aren&#8217;t equal and I don&#8217;t like them either but with the amendment process in Minnesota so easy to use, who&#8217;s to say that the same pro-gay friendly legislature or another one down the road couldn&#8217;t pass a repeal amendment and put it on the ballot. The anti-gays are so keen on letting the people vote on our rights but won&#8217;t they be surprised if a state rejects this amendment. Time is on equality&#8217;s side and the change in this amendment proves it. If I was living in Minnesota, I would be working with Outfront at every possible moment.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Zeke,

What I see - and, of course, it&#039;s just my perception - is that there is a growing desperation within the social conservative wing of the Party and a growing silence in the rest.  So it sounds as if there is the same amount of anti-gay chatter, but if you listen closely you&#039;ll note that it&#039;s all the same voices.

The biggest example, I believe, is the DOMA House defenses.  A handful of loons are flapping about ranting about Teh Ghey... but most Republicans are chanting the &quot;this should be decided by the courts, not the President&quot; mantra.  Word for word, no deviation.  Even gadfly Jason Chaffetz hasn&#039;t said a single word that google can find about DOMA.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zeke,</p>
<p>What I see &#8211; and, of course, it&#8217;s just my perception &#8211; is that there is a growing desperation within the social conservative wing of the Party and a growing silence in the rest.  So it sounds as if there is the same amount of anti-gay chatter, but if you listen closely you&#8217;ll note that it&#8217;s all the same voices.</p>
<p>The biggest example, I believe, is the DOMA House defenses.  A handful of loons are flapping about ranting about Teh Ghey&#8230; but most Republicans are chanting the &#8220;this should be decided by the courts, not the President&#8221; mantra.  Word for word, no deviation.  Even gadfly Jason Chaffetz hasn&#8217;t said a single word that google can find about DOMA.</p>
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		<title>By: tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The testimony was interesting.  On the Pro-amendment side you had an &quot;economist&quot; and a &quot;lawyer&quot; from out of state who pushed the same discredited theories.  And then a Lutheran Priest, Imam, Catholic Bishop, African American Reverend, and a Latino Christian Pastor all stating marriage was from God and the basis of Society.

On the anti side was a straight female republican, a father who lost his gay son 8 weeks ago in Afghanistan, a straight man with two gay dads, a gay Pediatrician, a straight elderly man with a gay brother who died of aids, and a number of others.

Didn&#039;t change one Republican vote.  Many stated that marriage was not a right and they could take it away from straight people as well with a simple vote.

But the MN Constitutional amendment process has a quirk in it.  It requires a majority of ALL voters to say yes.  Not just those that click the &quot;yes&quot; box.  So people who don&#039;t vote on the amendment or screw it up are considered no voters.

@TampaZeke

There is ample evidence of that.  Stating there is none is silly and counter productive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The testimony was interesting.  On the Pro-amendment side you had an &#8220;economist&#8221; and a &#8220;lawyer&#8221; from out of state who pushed the same discredited theories.  And then a Lutheran Priest, Imam, Catholic Bishop, African American Reverend, and a Latino Christian Pastor all stating marriage was from God and the basis of Society.</p>
<p>On the anti side was a straight female republican, a father who lost his gay son 8 weeks ago in Afghanistan, a straight man with two gay dads, a gay Pediatrician, a straight elderly man with a gay brother who died of aids, and a number of others.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t change one Republican vote.  Many stated that marriage was not a right and they could take it away from straight people as well with a simple vote.</p>
<p>But the MN Constitutional amendment process has a quirk in it.  It requires a majority of ALL voters to say yes.  Not just those that click the &#8220;yes&#8221; box.  So people who don&#8217;t vote on the amendment or screw it up are considered no voters.</p>
<p>@TampaZeke</p>
<p>There is ample evidence of that.  Stating there is none is silly and counter productive.</p>
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		<title>By: TampaZeke</title>
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		<dc:creator>TampaZeke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Apr 2011 22:38:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aren&#039;t we being told that homophobia and anti-gay marriage pushes have lost their punch and even their appeal to Republicans.

I&#039;m see NO evidence of that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aren&#8217;t we being told that homophobia and anti-gay marriage pushes have lost their punch and even their appeal to Republicans.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m see NO evidence of that!</p>
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