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		<title>By: Morgan Jon Fox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morgan Jon Fox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the support Timothy &amp; Jim!</description>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
I really like your above post.
We definitely don&#039;t agree on the lifeforms which abuse children - the theme of this thread - but I grasp your nuanced position.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
I really like your above post.<br />
We definitely don&#8217;t agree on the lifeforms which abuse children &#8211; the theme of this thread &#8211; but I grasp your nuanced position.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Burroway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Burroway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; If we substitute “muslim” for “christian” you may appreciate my stance&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You mistake me. You seriously mistake me.  That said, I understand the rest of your point. As (it appears) you (may have) acknowledged, it is wrong to level broad-brush accusations against entire groups because of the actions of a few. 

As, I believe, it is equally wrong to leverage one historical attrocity that has no connection with a contemporary wrong. Slippery slopes are the arguments of the fearful. Moral outrage over something because of what it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt;, in and of itself and for its own reasons, is one mark of integrity. Seeing it clearly with all of its nuance (or at least as much nuance as one is capable of seeing) is another. I don&#039;t say this to mean that I&#039;m loaded with integrity and you&#039;re not. I aspire to it (and fail) as much as the next guy. But I do aspire to it. And sometimes fail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> If we substitute “muslim” for “christian” you may appreciate my stance</p></blockquote>
<p>You mistake me. You seriously mistake me.  That said, I understand the rest of your point. As (it appears) you (may have) acknowledged, it is wrong to level broad-brush accusations against entire groups because of the actions of a few. </p>
<p>As, I believe, it is equally wrong to leverage one historical attrocity that has no connection with a contemporary wrong. Slippery slopes are the arguments of the fearful. Moral outrage over something because of what it <em>is</em>, in and of itself and for its own reasons, is one mark of integrity. Seeing it clearly with all of its nuance (or at least as much nuance as one is capable of seeing) is another. I don&#8217;t say this to mean that I&#8217;m loaded with integrity and you&#8217;re not. I aspire to it (and fail) as much as the next guy. But I do aspire to it. And sometimes fail.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim/Jim

I&#039;m sorry if I seem to attack you, but this is a subject that makes me angry (and not a little afraid).  If we substitute &quot;muslim&quot; for &quot;christian&quot; you may appreciate my stance,

But it doesn&#039;t excuse my discourtesy to you.  Two of my dearest friends are ordained into the Anglican Church, and their charity, love, and counsel has proved invaluable.

In honesty: the good, the practitioners of agape do so becaus ethat is who the are.  Those who do it to meet their religion&#039;s strictures are not open-handed,

I hope you will forgive my fervently expressed opinions, but reflect on the underlying sentiment</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim/Jim</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry if I seem to attack you, but this is a subject that makes me angry (and not a little afraid).  If we substitute &#8220;muslim&#8221; for &#8220;christian&#8221; you may appreciate my stance,</p>
<p>But it doesn&#8217;t excuse my discourtesy to you.  Two of my dearest friends are ordained into the Anglican Church, and their charity, love, and counsel has proved invaluable.</p>
<p>In honesty: the good, the practitioners of agape do so becaus ethat is who the are.  Those who do it to meet their religion&#8217;s strictures are not open-handed,</p>
<p>I hope you will forgive my fervently expressed opinions, but reflect on the underlying sentiment</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:20:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and as such unanswerable.  Nothing these people say is unbiblical.  The strictures against homosexuality is there. Xians argue over translation, but these are fundamental elements of the law.  You may try to twist the words,or try sophistry, but the &quot;word&quot; says, and certain people still follow the &quot;word&quot;.

The Xian who prays over their dying child rather than phone an ambulance, because of their faith is no more culpable than the &quot;counsellor&quot; who drives a child to suicide. Or their apologist</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and as such unanswerable.  Nothing these people say is unbiblical.  The strictures against homosexuality is there. Xians argue over translation, but these are fundamental elements of the law.  You may try to twist the words,or try sophistry, but the &#8220;word&#8221; says, and certain people still follow the &#8220;word&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Xian who prays over their dying child rather than phone an ambulance, because of their faith is no more culpable than the &#8220;counsellor&#8221; who drives a child to suicide. Or their apologist</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mihangel, your comment speaks for itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mihangel, your comment speaks for itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and I have visited Auschwitz, and wept, knowing what decent people could do when excused by faith or ideology (the mountains of shoes!

The darkness still lurks around corners of Europe, and we&#039;re aware of it.  the banality of evil lies in the ease with which it becomes institutionalised and euphemised: ordinary people doing hellish things &quot;because it&#039;s the right thing to do&quot;.

We mustn&#039;t give these people a pass just because they&#039;re &quot;god&quot; Xians doing what they think they should: their certainty terrifies me, because it enables them to de-humanise me to death</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and I have visited Auschwitz, and wept, knowing what decent people could do when excused by faith or ideology (the mountains of shoes!</p>
<p>The darkness still lurks around corners of Europe, and we&#8217;re aware of it.  the banality of evil lies in the ease with which it becomes institutionalised and euphemised: ordinary people doing hellish things &#8220;because it&#8217;s the right thing to do&#8221;.</p>
<p>We mustn&#8217;t give these people a pass just because they&#8217;re &#8220;god&#8221; Xians doing what they think they should: their certainty terrifies me, because it enables them to de-humanise me to death</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 20:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well la-de-da

without wishing to appear too ridiculous I can say that when committed people put ideology (or religion) before humanity they are following the path of the thoroughly decent Xian Germans who staffed the camps.

Are you poor Xians feeling persecuted because we&#039;re shining a light on the nastier elements of your religion?

Tim, do you feel we&#039;re going to put you in a camp for the type of re-education good Xians inflict on gay kids?

Well get over yourselves!  The insidious poison your particular superstition fosters in the body politic and US society generally is one cause of the empowerment of those bullies who drive OUR children to kill themselves.  Xianity has blood on its hands, and is yet using its power over brainwashed parents to encourage them to force their kids in soul-destroying reprogramming &quot;for their own good&quot;.

One life lost through their hypocrisy is too much</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well la-de-da</p>
<p>without wishing to appear too ridiculous I can say that when committed people put ideology (or religion) before humanity they are following the path of the thoroughly decent Xian Germans who staffed the camps.</p>
<p>Are you poor Xians feeling persecuted because we&#8217;re shining a light on the nastier elements of your religion?</p>
<p>Tim, do you feel we&#8217;re going to put you in a camp for the type of re-education good Xians inflict on gay kids?</p>
<p>Well get over yourselves!  The insidious poison your particular superstition fosters in the body politic and US society generally is one cause of the empowerment of those bullies who drive OUR children to kill themselves.  Xianity has blood on its hands, and is yet using its power over brainwashed parents to encourage them to force their kids in soul-destroying reprogramming &#8220;for their own good&#8221;.</p>
<p>One life lost through their hypocrisy is too much</p>
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		<title>By: enough already</title>
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		<dc:creator>enough already</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:50:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim,
I was tortured by Christians, licensed as psychologists to &quot;save&quot; me from my homosexuality.
It is absolutely fair and just for me to call these vicious, hateful, scumbags of filth and excrement, these monsters wearing human skin exactly that which they are: Nazis.

Goodwin&#039;s law doesn&#039;t apply when it&#039;s the real thing.

They torture people. They deserve to die painful, horrid, slow deaths of cancer, Alone and abandoned by all they trusted.

There can never be any doubt, any question about their total, complete evil. Their monstrosity, their inhumanity.

They are hatred in its worst form, hate masquerading as love.

Nothing can every excuse or pardon their behavior, all legal means of punishment need to be used against them. No civilized country permits their actions. In Germany, these filthy vermin would be thrown into prison - with extra time on their sentence for sexual abuse of those entrusted to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim,<br />
I was tortured by Christians, licensed as psychologists to &#8220;save&#8221; me from my homosexuality.<br />
It is absolutely fair and just for me to call these vicious, hateful, scumbags of filth and excrement, these monsters wearing human skin exactly that which they are: Nazis.</p>
<p>Goodwin&#8217;s law doesn&#8217;t apply when it&#8217;s the real thing.</p>
<p>They torture people. They deserve to die painful, horrid, slow deaths of cancer, Alone and abandoned by all they trusted.</p>
<p>There can never be any doubt, any question about their total, complete evil. Their monstrosity, their inhumanity.</p>
<p>They are hatred in its worst form, hate masquerading as love.</p>
<p>Nothing can every excuse or pardon their behavior, all legal means of punishment need to be used against them. No civilized country permits their actions. In Germany, these filthy vermin would be thrown into prison &#8211; with extra time on their sentence for sexual abuse of those entrusted to them.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems a bit convenient when someone opposed to Christianity defines &quot;torture&quot; as being &quot;being threatened with eternal hell.&quot;

I see where that path goes and it isn&#039;t pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems a bit convenient when someone opposed to Christianity defines &#8220;torture&#8221; as being &#8220;being threatened with eternal hell.&#8221;</p>
<p>I see where that path goes and it isn&#8217;t pretty.</p>
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