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	<title>Comments on: Two Dads, Twelve Kids in Arizona</title>
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	<description>News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric</description>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 14:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dare Santorum to tell kids stuck in the foster care system they don&#039;t have the &quot;right&quot; to be adopted.

Does anyone know if there has ever been a lawsuit, by kids who age-out of the system, against states that have passed such laws?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dare Santorum to tell kids stuck in the foster care system they don&#8217;t have the &#8220;right&#8221; to be adopted.</p>
<p>Does anyone know if there has ever been a lawsuit, by kids who age-out of the system, against states that have passed such laws?</p>
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		<title>By: John B.</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 02:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, adoption is a privilege.  But  popping out more babies than you can, or will, or want to, take care of is apparently a RIGHT.  So somebody needs to tell Mr. Santorum that if all those heterosexuals would just stop giving children up for adoption, abandoning them, or neglecting or abusing them to the point they are taken away by the state, there would be a whole lot fewer kids for gay folk to foster or adopt, and a whole lot less need for somebody to help pick up some of the slack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, adoption is a privilege.  But  popping out more babies than you can, or will, or want to, take care of is apparently a RIGHT.  So somebody needs to tell Mr. Santorum that if all those heterosexuals would just stop giving children up for adoption, abandoning them, or neglecting or abusing them to the point they are taken away by the state, there would be a whole lot fewer kids for gay folk to foster or adopt, and a whole lot less need for somebody to help pick up some of the slack.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 00:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Steve Masters, I think you are right. I wish we could ask the people who count the same question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Steve Masters, I think you are right. I wish we could ask the people who count the same question.</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/04/32265/comment-page-1#comment-93770</link>
		<dc:creator>Elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 May 2011 00:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love this story, and I love that family. Thank you so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love this story, and I love that family. Thank you so much.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/04/32265/comment-page-1#comment-93766</link>
		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 23:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent point, Steve Masters! But amazingly, the harshest judgment still seems to favor that despite these two dads, AND dads trying to keep sibling sets all together, these men aren&#039;t doing these children any good, or as good as a mom and dad.
   However unavailable or unwilling that mom and dad are.


  Yes, you would think that cooler heads wouldn&#039;t WANT to hurt kids.
 But they DO want to hurt the kids of gay parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent point, Steve Masters! But amazingly, the harshest judgment still seems to favor that despite these two dads, AND dads trying to keep sibling sets all together, these men aren&#8217;t doing these children any good, or as good as a mom and dad.<br />
   However unavailable or unwilling that mom and dad are.</p>
<p>  Yes, you would think that cooler heads wouldn&#8217;t WANT to hurt kids.<br />
 But they DO want to hurt the kids of gay parents.</p>
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		<title>By: Mihangel apYrs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihangel apYrs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 21:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>a badly needed smile</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>a badly needed smile</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Santos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Santos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 19:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Particularly with respect to second-parent adoption, you have to wonder how Santorum&#039;s argument makes any sense at all when applied to children that are &lt;em&gt;already&lt;/em&gt; being raised by same-sex parents. Is it a &quot;privilege&quot; to have one of your loving parents be recognized as such, or do kids instead have a right to the support of both parents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Particularly with respect to second-parent adoption, you have to wonder how Santorum&#8217;s argument makes any sense at all when applied to children that are <em>already</em> being raised by same-sex parents. Is it a &#8220;privilege&#8221; to have one of your loving parents be recognized as such, or do kids instead have a right to the support of both parents?</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Masters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Masters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 18:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When is someone going to go to court and try to overturn these laws on behalf of the kids?

These children do not have the same benefits and security as the children in homes headed by straight couples.  At best, their parents have to pay thousands of dollars to approximate what other kids have simply because their parents can marry but its still not the same as in this case.  Not to mention higher taxes their parents pay because they can&#039;t file jointly.  This is money that could be used for clothes, college, etc.

I&#039;m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a case where kids like this are the plaintiffs, as opposed to the parents, may be successful in overturning some bad laws as well as create public awareness as to why anti-marriage laws are bad for families. It might garner more public support too since even people that don&#039;t like gay adults still don&#039;t want to hurt kids.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When is someone going to go to court and try to overturn these laws on behalf of the kids?</p>
<p>These children do not have the same benefits and security as the children in homes headed by straight couples.  At best, their parents have to pay thousands of dollars to approximate what other kids have simply because their parents can marry but its still not the same as in this case.  Not to mention higher taxes their parents pay because they can&#8217;t file jointly.  This is money that could be used for clothes, college, etc.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but it seems to me that a case where kids like this are the plaintiffs, as opposed to the parents, may be successful in overturning some bad laws as well as create public awareness as to why anti-marriage laws are bad for families. It might garner more public support too since even people that don&#8217;t like gay adults still don&#8217;t want to hurt kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Regan DuCasse</title>
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		<dc:creator>Regan DuCasse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 17:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jan Brewer you bitch, how many children have YOU adopted?!

   And are these children any LESS beautiful and loved with these two dads? The bio units didn&#039;t step up and neither did you.
Stand the hell down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jan Brewer you bitch, how many children have YOU adopted?!</p>
<p>   And are these children any LESS beautiful and loved with these two dads? The bio units didn&#8217;t step up and neither did you.<br />
Stand the hell down.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 May 2011 15:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a wonderful story. Thanks so much for this link.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful story. Thanks so much for this link.</p>
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