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	<title>Comments on: Alan Chambers Prefers &#8220;It Gets Worse&#8221; Campaign</title>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32318/comment-page-1#comment-108199</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... Chambers has stepped back from his initial criticism: http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj

I saw this on Warren Throckmorton&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; Chambers has stepped back from his initial criticism: <a href="http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj" rel="nofollow">http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj</a></p>
<p>I saw this on Warren Throckmorton&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 12:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Donny,

Obviously I have no way to absolutely positively confirm that my friend is 100% gay (homosexual), but, for all practical purposes, I&#039;m going to stand by my assessment.

However, I HAVE confirmed that I am 100% gay. So the big question is: If I had allowed myself to succumb to social/religious/family pressures 45 years ago, could I have managed some basic level of functioning with a woman? Possibly. But we will never know because I had/have absolutely no desire to test that theory. I did have a few fleeting series of &quot;dates&quot; with girls in high school and college, but I was knowingly doing what was expected of me by others, not what I wanted for myself.

Just because a guy can function with a woman under duress, doesn&#039;t mean he&#039;s not 100% gay, for all practical purposes. I think the inverse scenario would be similar, but is certainly very uncommon because there is zero social/religious/family pressure to perform homosexually. And then there is the prison-sex phenomenon which adds dimension to the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Donny,</p>
<p>Obviously I have no way to absolutely positively confirm that my friend is 100% gay (homosexual), but, for all practical purposes, I&#8217;m going to stand by my assessment.</p>
<p>However, I HAVE confirmed that I am 100% gay. So the big question is: If I had allowed myself to succumb to social/religious/family pressures 45 years ago, could I have managed some basic level of functioning with a woman? Possibly. But we will never know because I had/have absolutely no desire to test that theory. I did have a few fleeting series of &#8220;dates&#8221; with girls in high school and college, but I was knowingly doing what was expected of me by others, not what I wanted for myself.</p>
<p>Just because a guy can function with a woman under duress, doesn&#8217;t mean he&#8217;s not 100% gay, for all practical purposes. I think the inverse scenario would be similar, but is certainly very uncommon because there is zero social/religious/family pressure to perform homosexually. And then there is the prison-sex phenomenon which adds dimension to the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Shofixti</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shofixti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 12:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It &lt;i&gt;might&lt;/i&gt; be better for people to be free to choose the words that work for them - without having to fit another&#039;s prescription of what does and does not constitute gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It <i>might</i> be better for people to be free to choose the words that work for them &#8211; without having to fit another&#8217;s prescription of what does and does not constitute gay.</p>
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		<title>By: Donny D.</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32318/comment-page-1#comment-94082</link>
		<dc:creator>Donny D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 May 2011 10:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard Rush wrote,

&lt;blockquote&gt;I have a friend who produced six biological children during 24+ years of marriage, and then walked away to finally live his gay truth. And trust me, every indication is that he is 100% gay.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I don&#039;t think so.  :)




(I&#039;m assuming by &quot;100% gay&quot; you mean exclusively homosexual.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Rush wrote,</p>
<blockquote><p>I have a friend who produced six biological children during 24+ years of marriage, and then walked away to finally live his gay truth. And trust me, every indication is that he is 100% gay.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t think so.  :)</p>
<p>(I&#8217;m assuming by &#8220;100% gay&#8221; you mean exclusively homosexual.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben in Atlanta</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32318/comment-page-1#comment-93901</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben in Atlanta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 18:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s possible to be openly faithy and openly gay at the same time. We roll holy and have fun doing it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiH9UfZSMsE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s possible to be openly faithy and openly gay at the same time. We roll holy and have fun doing it:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiH9UfZSMsE" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiH9UfZSMsE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 18:12:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan Brooks said,

&lt;blockquote&gt;OK, Alan Chambers had two children, maybe even by actually having sex with his wife. Well, I can have sex and even successfully climax with a female (and I have), but that doesn’t mean I am really into those feelings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Exactly. I have a friend who produced six biological children during 24+ years of marriage, and then walked away to finally live his gay truth. And trust me, every indication is that he is 100% gay. Then we have groups like Exodus doing everything possible to create more of these sad stories. Obviously, these groups are not directly advocating men walking away from marriages involving children, but the fact remains they promote all the conditions whereby homo side-sex and/or walking away are likely outcomes.

And by the way, my friend is still a father to his children, and supports them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan Brooks said,</p>
<blockquote><p>OK, Alan Chambers had two children, maybe even by actually having sex with his wife. Well, I can have sex and even successfully climax with a female (and I have), but that doesn’t mean I am really into those feelings.</p></blockquote>
<p>Exactly. I have a friend who produced six biological children during 24+ years of marriage, and then walked away to finally live his gay truth. And trust me, every indication is that he is 100% gay. Then we have groups like Exodus doing everything possible to create more of these sad stories. Obviously, these groups are not directly advocating men walking away from marriages involving children, but the fact remains they promote all the conditions whereby homo side-sex and/or walking away are likely outcomes.</p>
<p>And by the way, my friend is still a father to his children, and supports them.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan,

Let&#039;s let Alan&#039;s life be his life to live as he likes.  He says that he is happy and - as I&#039;d prefer that he believe us when we talk about our lives - I&#039;ll believe him.

And it&#039;s irrelevant to us whether or not he really is happy.  What matters is whether WE are happy.  And we are.  

It DOES get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan,</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s let Alan&#8217;s life be his life to live as he likes.  He says that he is happy and &#8211; as I&#8217;d prefer that he believe us when we talk about our lives &#8211; I&#8217;ll believe him.</p>
<p>And it&#8217;s irrelevant to us whether or not he really is happy.  What matters is whether WE are happy.  And we are.  </p>
<p>It DOES get better.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32318/comment-page-1#comment-93895</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regan

&lt;blockquote&gt;These men saved the lives of their children and kept otherwise separated sibling sets together.
Heroic on their part.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

amen

But to be fair, both of Alan Chamber&#039;s kids are adopted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regan</p>
<blockquote><p>These men saved the lives of their children and kept otherwise separated sibling sets together.<br />
Heroic on their part.</p></blockquote>
<p>amen</p>
<p>But to be fair, both of Alan Chamber&#8217;s kids are adopted.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, Alan Chambers had two children, maybe even by actually having sex with his wife.  Well, I can have sex and even successfully climax with a female (and I have), but that doesn&#039;t mean I am really into those feelings.  And having kids is a &quot;good reason&quot; to stay together, as even most heteros know (or like to believe). But I would bet in the long run that Alan Chambers is not happy, and he struggles with same-sex feelings a lof of the time. The things one does for their religion.  I always thought one&#039;s faith was a positive influence on one&#039;s wellbeing and happiness; I know mine is. Exodus Intl. is a big farce!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, Alan Chambers had two children, maybe even by actually having sex with his wife.  Well, I can have sex and even successfully climax with a female (and I have), but that doesn&#8217;t mean I am really into those feelings.  And having kids is a &#8220;good reason&#8221; to stay together, as even most heteros know (or like to believe). But I would bet in the long run that Alan Chambers is not happy, and he struggles with same-sex feelings a lof of the time. The things one does for their religion.  I always thought one&#8217;s faith was a positive influence on one&#8217;s wellbeing and happiness; I know mine is. Exodus Intl. is a big farce!</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 15:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regan said &quot;I’m still smiling over the little six year old when informed that the guys he was talking to were a married couple his response was, ‘oh, like, you LOVE each other! Wanna go play some ping pong?”&quot;.

Yes, that was one of my favourites too.  It showed that children will accept gayness in a matter of fact manner and the idea that knowing this will &quot;sexualize&quot; them is bunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regan said &#8220;I’m still smiling over the little six year old when informed that the guys he was talking to were a married couple his response was, ‘oh, like, you LOVE each other! Wanna go play some ping pong?”&#8221;.</p>
<p>Yes, that was one of my favourites too.  It showed that children will accept gayness in a matter of fact manner and the idea that knowing this will &#8220;sexualize&#8221; them is bunk.</p>
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