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	<title>Comments on: Exodus President opposes &#8220;It Gets Better&#8221; campaign</title>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32321/comment-page-1#comment-108200</link>
		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Oct 2011 13:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So... Chambers has stepped back from his initial criticism: http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj

I saw this on Warren Throckmorton&#039;s blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So&#8230; Chambers has stepped back from his initial criticism: <a href="http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj" rel="nofollow">http://exodusinternational.org/2011/10/it-gets-better-letter-from-alan-chambers-for-october-2011/#.TpWaWXJ2Ojj</a></p>
<p>I saw this on Warren Throckmorton&#8217;s blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Gallagher</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/05/32321/comment-page-1#comment-100871</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Gallagher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 21:09:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From a psychological viewpoint, I refer you to the following:
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From a psychological viewpoint, I refer you to the following:<br />
<a href="http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html" rel="nofollow">http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/rainbow/html/facts_changing.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 May 2011 00:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rowan, there are religious people who speak up for gays. The point is was making is what Marcia said. I&#039;m very disappointed with the false equivalency. I for one have nothing to apologize to Alan Chambers and other bigots who hide behind religion about. They can bitch I&#039;m anti-religion all they want. I&#039;m opposed specifically to their anti-gay bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rowan, there are religious people who speak up for gays. The point is was making is what Marcia said. I&#8217;m very disappointed with the false equivalency. I for one have nothing to apologize to Alan Chambers and other bigots who hide behind religion about. They can bitch I&#8217;m anti-religion all they want. I&#8217;m opposed specifically to their anti-gay bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy said &quot;Are we so very dense that we cannot even imagine that he could be happy?&quot;.

No, but when Alan says he struggles every day to deny what comes naturally to him it does raise some questions about how happy his marriage is.  If a gay person said they were happy and then also made a similar statement that called his happiness into question the anti-gays would also be justified in questioning whether or not he was telling the truth about his happiness.  However, most gay people who say they are happy aren&#039;t also making statments that call that claim into doubt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy said &#8220;Are we so very dense that we cannot even imagine that he could be happy?&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, but when Alan says he struggles every day to deny what comes naturally to him it does raise some questions about how happy his marriage is.  If a gay person said they were happy and then also made a similar statement that called his happiness into question the anti-gays would also be justified in questioning whether or not he was telling the truth about his happiness.  However, most gay people who say they are happy aren&#8217;t also making statments that call that claim into doubt.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 17:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Richard,

To answer your question, I believe that Alan is being truthful when he says that his sexual activity is solely within the confines of his marriage and only with his wife.  Obviously, there is no &quot;proof&quot; that there is no outside activity (you can&#039;t prove a negative) but I think he&#039;s telling the truth.

Exodus and anti-gay activists survive by claiming that our testimony is a lie.  When we say we are happy, they declare, &quot;But there is no real happiness or peace in the homosexual lifestyle!&quot;

That is infuriating - not only because it is false and because it is used as a tool against our lives and our freedom - but also because it calls us liars and fools.  It says that we are so stupid that we cannot even tell whether or not we are happy and so dishonest that we can&#039;t tell the truth.

Let&#039;s not repeat the insult.  If Alan Chambers is happy in his marriage - then what does it make us when we insist that he is not?

Are we so very dense that we cannot even imagine that he could be happy?  Are we so dogmatic that we require everyone to feel exactly as we do?  Are we so driven by politics that we don&#039;t care about the truth and only want to be said what advances our goals?

I hope that I am not and nor are you or our other readers.

Let&#039;s let his truth be his truth.  Let&#039;s let Alan live his life as he sees best without mocking it or calling it fake.

But let&#039;s be vigilant to protect ourselves and fight the battle that matters: not Alan&#039;s life, but ours.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard,</p>
<p>To answer your question, I believe that Alan is being truthful when he says that his sexual activity is solely within the confines of his marriage and only with his wife.  Obviously, there is no &#8220;proof&#8221; that there is no outside activity (you can&#8217;t prove a negative) but I think he&#8217;s telling the truth.</p>
<p>Exodus and anti-gay activists survive by claiming that our testimony is a lie.  When we say we are happy, they declare, &#8220;But there is no real happiness or peace in the homosexual lifestyle!&#8221;</p>
<p>That is infuriating &#8211; not only because it is false and because it is used as a tool against our lives and our freedom &#8211; but also because it calls us liars and fools.  It says that we are so stupid that we cannot even tell whether or not we are happy and so dishonest that we can&#8217;t tell the truth.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not repeat the insult.  If Alan Chambers is happy in his marriage &#8211; then what does it make us when we insist that he is not?</p>
<p>Are we so very dense that we cannot even imagine that he could be happy?  Are we so dogmatic that we require everyone to feel exactly as we do?  Are we so driven by politics that we don&#8217;t care about the truth and only want to be said what advances our goals?</p>
<p>I hope that I am not and nor are you or our other readers.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s let his truth be his truth.  Let&#8217;s let Alan live his life as he sees best without mocking it or calling it fake.</p>
<p>But let&#8217;s be vigilant to protect ourselves and fight the battle that matters: not Alan&#8217;s life, but ours.</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 16:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaft said &quot;I know someone who goes to Mass with me every Sunday who wouldn’t likely go out seeking any protests against homosexuality any time soon...He also would never vote in support of us being able to adopt or marry, doesn’t believe in the American Psychological Association because they gave into social pressure from only a segment of society, and would tell you that maybe the reason that so many kids are committing suicide is because being gay *is* a psychological disorder (or at least a disorder of some kind)....And none of this because he particularly hateful towards anyone; only because he legitimally believes all this on grounds that he would make a logical argument for.&quot;.

Ahhh - No.  Logic shows that his beliefs are wrong so no, he can&#039;t make a logical argument for his position and given that, his beliefs are not legitimate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaft said &#8220;I know someone who goes to Mass with me every Sunday who wouldn’t likely go out seeking any protests against homosexuality any time soon&#8230;He also would never vote in support of us being able to adopt or marry, doesn’t believe in the American Psychological Association because they gave into social pressure from only a segment of society, and would tell you that maybe the reason that so many kids are committing suicide is because being gay *is* a psychological disorder (or at least a disorder of some kind)&#8230;.And none of this because he particularly hateful towards anyone; only because he legitimally believes all this on grounds that he would make a logical argument for.&#8221;.</p>
<p>Ahhh &#8211; No.  Logic shows that his beliefs are wrong so no, he can&#8217;t make a logical argument for his position and given that, his beliefs are not legitimate.</p>
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		<title>By: ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 14:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Children all over the world, including my two children are fans of ‘Toy Story’ and to see a character like that endorsing something that at this point children have no need to know about&quot;

If Alan is so concerned about his children being &quot;exposed&quot; to gays, why does he let them watch &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;GLEE&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Children all over the world, including my two children are fans of ‘Toy Story’ and to see a character like that endorsing something that at this point children have no need to know about&#8221;</p>
<p>If Alan is so concerned about his children being &#8220;exposed&#8221; to gays, why does he let them watch <strong><em>GLEE</em></strong>?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Rush</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Rush</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 13:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One critical question I have is, does Alan Chambers, as a faux-no-homo pro, blow no mo&#039; homos, though? Does anyone really know? Have we been snowed? After all, I know some gay guys who tell me that if it were not for hook-ups with married men, they would never get sex. 

Alan&#039;s evil resistance to anti-bullying efforts is essential for maintaining a steady stream of unhappy homos into Exodus. Some of them will graduate as certified faux-no-homos who will then go on to deceive unsuspecting women into marrying them. As any heads-in-the-sand pro-family group would say, anything is better than homos following their natural instincts.

But the good news is that Exodus continues to produce more married men to hook up with my gay friends who would otherwise not get any sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One critical question I have is, does Alan Chambers, as a faux-no-homo pro, blow no mo&#8217; homos, though? Does anyone really know? Have we been snowed? After all, I know some gay guys who tell me that if it were not for hook-ups with married men, they would never get sex. </p>
<p>Alan&#8217;s evil resistance to anti-bullying efforts is essential for maintaining a steady stream of unhappy homos into Exodus. Some of them will graduate as certified faux-no-homos who will then go on to deceive unsuspecting women into marrying them. As any heads-in-the-sand pro-family group would say, anything is better than homos following their natural instincts.</p>
<p>But the good news is that Exodus continues to produce more married men to hook up with my gay friends who would otherwise not get any sex.</p>
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		<title>By: Rowan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rowan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 13:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Erin acknowledging the fact that a large number of those who openly campaign against Gays and Lesbians do so from a religious standpoint isn&#039;t playing into the religious right&#039;s Christophobe foolishness, it&#039;s merely a statement of truth. The most virulent homophobic organizations and individuals preach their hate while standing on their religious teachings as their excuse to justify it and include those who do not speak up against those claims as being supporters of their cause. Just because Jane is religious and tolerant in a one on one situation doesn&#039;t really count for much when she doesn&#039;t speak out because those with similar religious beliefs that ARE vilifying LGBT declare that they DO speak for Jane. Remaining silent is merely enabling those to continue to inflict their hatred on LGBT youth, while &quot;we&quot; are being accused of painting &quot;all religious people&quot; with the same brush, those on the opposing side are doing so as well, with Pride in their actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erin acknowledging the fact that a large number of those who openly campaign against Gays and Lesbians do so from a religious standpoint isn&#8217;t playing into the religious right&#8217;s Christophobe foolishness, it&#8217;s merely a statement of truth. The most virulent homophobic organizations and individuals preach their hate while standing on their religious teachings as their excuse to justify it and include those who do not speak up against those claims as being supporters of their cause. Just because Jane is religious and tolerant in a one on one situation doesn&#8217;t really count for much when she doesn&#8217;t speak out because those with similar religious beliefs that ARE vilifying LGBT declare that they DO speak for Jane. Remaining silent is merely enabling those to continue to inflict their hatred on LGBT youth, while &#8220;we&#8221; are being accused of painting &#8220;all religious people&#8221; with the same brush, those on the opposing side are doing so as well, with Pride in their actions.</p>
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		<title>By: Marcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 09:34:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>***nor have I heard of any gay-friendly religio-political group helping engineer lethal laws against gays in foreign countries.***

Make that &quot;straight people in foreign countries.&quot;  Sorry, y&#039;all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>***nor have I heard of any gay-friendly religio-political group helping engineer lethal laws against gays in foreign countries.***</p>
<p>Make that &#8220;straight people in foreign countries.&#8221;  Sorry, y&#8217;all.</p>
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