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	<title>Comments on: Why I oppose the effort to get Orbitz to cease advertising on Fox News</title>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94970</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 May 2011 14:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Pintuck, some of us who accept and support drag queens have nothing to do with drag, have never ingested amyl nitrate, nor had an STD. And I don’t know what a shower shot is, chicken, or what Harry Hay’s sign said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I will also note that even those who &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; have STD&#039;s, struggle with drug addictions (past or present), and otherwise fit the negative stereotypes are still people.  As such, they still deserve to be treated as people, rather than condemned, vilified, marginalized, and otherwise othered.

In fact, one of the things that infuriates &lt;i&gt;me&lt;/i&gt; with some members of the gay community is that they&#039;re not so much opposed to the marginalization of people as they are in redefining who it&#039;s still okay to marginalize.

Note that the above isn&#039;t directed at Priya.  I simply chose her statement as a good starting point for what I wanted to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Pintuck, some of us who accept and support drag queens have nothing to do with drag, have never ingested amyl nitrate, nor had an STD. And I don’t know what a shower shot is, chicken, or what Harry Hay’s sign said.</p></blockquote>
<p>I will also note that even those who <i>do</i> have STD&#8217;s, struggle with drug addictions (past or present), and otherwise fit the negative stereotypes are still people.  As such, they still deserve to be treated as people, rather than condemned, vilified, marginalized, and otherwise othered.</p>
<p>In fact, one of the things that infuriates <i>me</i> with some members of the gay community is that they&#8217;re not so much opposed to the marginalization of people as they are in redefining who it&#8217;s still okay to marginalize.</p>
<p>Note that the above isn&#8217;t directed at Priya.  I simply chose her statement as a good starting point for what I wanted to say.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94938</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 21:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh... and according to Amazon, a Shower Shot is a tool for cleanliness.  

I don&#039;t know what Pintuck&#039;s sexual life is like (nor do I want to imagine it) but a good many gay men appreciate the old maxim that cleanliness is next to godliness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh&#8230; and according to Amazon, a Shower Shot is a tool for cleanliness.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what Pintuck&#8217;s sexual life is like (nor do I want to imagine it) but a good many gay men appreciate the old maxim that cleanliness is next to godliness.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94936</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 21:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reed,

I too have lived through Anita Bryant, Harvey Milk, Bill Dannemayer, B1 Bob, and the whole crew.  

And I&#039;m not entirely anti-boycott.  But a boycott of our &lt;i&gt;friends?  Really?&lt;/i&gt;

Is the message supposed to be &quot;Don&#039;t advertise to gay people because they will boycott you if you also advertise elsewhere&quot;?

How incredibly stupid is that idea?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reed,</p>
<p>I too have lived through Anita Bryant, Harvey Milk, Bill Dannemayer, B1 Bob, and the whole crew.  </p>
<p>And I&#8217;m not entirely anti-boycott.  But a boycott of our <i>friends?  Really?</i></p>
<p>Is the message supposed to be &#8220;Don&#8217;t advertise to gay people because they will boycott you if you also advertise elsewhere&#8221;?</p>
<p>How incredibly stupid is that idea?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94935</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 May 2011 21:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the commentators on Fox News (Bill O&#039;Reilly, Megyn Kelly) claimed that the hate crimes bill (which many on the right opposed because it was the first federal protection given to gays) gave protections to pedophiles.

That was their way of equating gays with pedophiles.

Remember how they smeared Kevin Jennings?

Huckabee has compared gays to pedophiles in at least two of his books.

Boycotts were a part of the African American Civil Rights movement and women&#039;s suffrage weren&#039;t they?

We have to challenge those that finance hate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the commentators on Fox News (Bill O&#8217;Reilly, Megyn Kelly) claimed that the hate crimes bill (which many on the right opposed because it was the first federal protection given to gays) gave protections to pedophiles.</p>
<p>That was their way of equating gays with pedophiles.</p>
<p>Remember how they smeared Kevin Jennings?</p>
<p>Huckabee has compared gays to pedophiles in at least two of his books.</p>
<p>Boycotts were a part of the African American Civil Rights movement and women&#8217;s suffrage weren&#8217;t they?</p>
<p>We have to challenge those that finance hate.</p>
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		<title>By: Shofixti</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94894</link>
		<dc:creator>Shofixti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 21:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Pintuck&lt;/i&gt; capitalising letters doesn&#039;t make anyone &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; people or &lt;i&gt;your&lt;/i&gt; community - you don&#039;t own them, you can&#039;t speak for all of them, you don&#039;t know what&#039;s best for all of them. 

Try to practice some diversity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Pintuck</i> capitalising letters doesn&#8217;t make anyone <i>your</i> people or <i>your</i> community &#8211; you don&#8217;t own them, you can&#8217;t speak for all of them, you don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s best for all of them. </p>
<p>Try to practice some diversity.</p>
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		<title>By: R Boyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>R Boyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 19:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pinhead - I said I lived THROUGH the Anita Bryant era - and that I was IN San Francisco when Harvey Milk was murder.  

Don&#039;t conflate.

Never done drag.  Zero drugs.   Zero STDs.  And I have no clue what the other three things are that you&#039;re raving about.

Go bother someone else in one of your other alternate personas, please - after you&#039;ve pulled your head from your nether regions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pinhead &#8211; I said I lived THROUGH the Anita Bryant era &#8211; and that I was IN San Francisco when Harvey Milk was murder.  </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t conflate.</p>
<p>Never done drag.  Zero drugs.   Zero STDs.  And I have no clue what the other three things are that you&#8217;re raving about.</p>
<p>Go bother someone else in one of your other alternate personas, please &#8211; after you&#8217;ve pulled your head from your nether regions.</p>
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		<title>By: Loki</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/19/33370/comment-page-1#comment-94886</link>
		<dc:creator>Loki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 18:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Pintuck, looks like someone is horribly self-loathing. And apparently did not learn the lesson that every other group that fought for civil rights also didn&#039;t learn. As long as there is an outgroup to hate...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Pintuck, looks like someone is horribly self-loathing. And apparently did not learn the lesson that every other group that fought for civil rights also didn&#8217;t learn. As long as there is an outgroup to hate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Priya Lynn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Priya Lynn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 17:35:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pintuck, some of us who accept and support drag queens have nothing to do with drag, have never ingested amyl nitrate, nor had an STD.  And I don&#039;t know what a shower shot is, chicken, or what Harry Hay&#039;s sign said.

Your assumptions about drag supporters are just like the anti-gays assuming you&#039;ve had thousands of sex partners, many STDs, and are a drugged up depressed alcholic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pintuck, some of us who accept and support drag queens have nothing to do with drag, have never ingested amyl nitrate, nor had an STD.  And I don&#8217;t know what a shower shot is, chicken, or what Harry Hay&#8217;s sign said.</p>
<p>Your assumptions about drag supporters are just like the anti-gays assuming you&#8217;ve had thousands of sex partners, many STDs, and are a drugged up depressed alcholic.</p>
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		<title>By: Pintuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pintuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 17:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R Boyer, I&#039;m sad you lived in SF during the Anita Bryant age.  How many drugs, including amyl nitrates, did you ingest?  How many STDs did you pick up?  What is a &quot;shower shot&quot;?  What is &quot;chicken&quot;?  What did Harry Hay&#039;s sign say?

Why do we continue pretend that queer culture was a good thing that we need to celebrate?  It&#039;s degrading and harmful to gay people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R Boyer, I&#8217;m sad you lived in SF during the Anita Bryant age.  How many drugs, including amyl nitrates, did you ingest?  How many STDs did you pick up?  What is a &#8220;shower shot&#8221;?  What is &#8220;chicken&#8221;?  What did Harry Hay&#8217;s sign say?</p>
<p>Why do we continue pretend that queer culture was a good thing that we need to celebrate?  It&#8217;s degrading and harmful to gay people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pintuck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pintuck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 May 2011 17:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m guessing R Boyer is an &quot;in your face&quot; drag queen, working hard to make gay people look weird, freaky, and abnormal.

Contempt for him.  Nothing but contempt and rejection.  NOT my people.  NOT my community.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m guessing R Boyer is an &#8220;in your face&#8221; drag queen, working hard to make gay people look weird, freaky, and abnormal.</p>
<p>Contempt for him.  Nothing but contempt and rejection.  NOT my people.  NOT my community.</p>
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