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	<title>Comments on: About those &#8220;21 religious groups&#8221; and their chaplain letter&#8230;</title>
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		<title>By: NoxiousNan</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/25/33566/comment-page-1#comment-95189</link>
		<dc:creator>NoxiousNan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 21:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;some soldiers may think it’s forcing them to abandon their religious beliefs or being marginalized for holding to those beliefs&quot;

I would not want anyone that stupid in charge of firearms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;some soldiers may think it’s forcing them to abandon their religious beliefs or being marginalized for holding to those beliefs&#8221;</p>
<p>I would not want anyone that stupid in charge of firearms.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/25/33566/comment-page-1#comment-95172</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 May 2011 17:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonpol,

Generally, I would prefer that you do as Jarred suggested and either reference the article or quote from it and include a link back to Box Turtle Bulletin.

However in this particular instance, you have my permission to post the entire article provided that you give appropriate credit, note that it is from BTB and provide a link back.

Thanks,

Timothy

(this is a one-time exception, folks, not a new policy.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonpol,</p>
<p>Generally, I would prefer that you do as Jarred suggested and either reference the article or quote from it and include a link back to Box Turtle Bulletin.</p>
<p>However in this particular instance, you have my permission to post the entire article provided that you give appropriate credit, note that it is from BTB and provide a link back.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>Timothy</p>
<p>(this is a one-time exception, folks, not a new policy.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jarred</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/25/33566/comment-page-1#comment-95133</link>
		<dc:creator>Jarred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 16:08:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jonpol:

Obviously, the choice of whether to let you repost his article in its entirety is his and his alone to make.  However, as a long-standing blogger myself, the more common practice would be to post a link to the article here, along with a small extract to whet your own readership&#039;s interest in the article.

Blake:

I agree with your points, but I&#039;d also emphasize the phrase &quot;do not permit same-sex unions&quot; as well.  Because let&#039;s face it, they&#039;re not talking about their wish to not perform same-sex unions themselves.  They don&#039;t want to &lt;i&gt;permit&lt;/i&gt; same sex unions at all.  They don&#039;t want the county clerk to perform them.  They don&#039;t want the MCC minister down the street to perform them.  They don&#039;t want my friend -- a Wiccan High Priestess -- to perform them.  They want their &quot;personal conscience&quot; to become the law of the land that everyone has to bow to, regardless of &lt;i&gt;other people&#039;s&lt;/i&gt; personal conscience.  This alone turns all their appeals to &quot;religious freedom&quot; on their heads and exposes them for the lies they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jonpol:</p>
<p>Obviously, the choice of whether to let you repost his article in its entirety is his and his alone to make.  However, as a long-standing blogger myself, the more common practice would be to post a link to the article here, along with a small extract to whet your own readership&#8217;s interest in the article.</p>
<p>Blake:</p>
<p>I agree with your points, but I&#8217;d also emphasize the phrase &#8220;do not permit same-sex unions&#8221; as well.  Because let&#8217;s face it, they&#8217;re not talking about their wish to not perform same-sex unions themselves.  They don&#8217;t want to <i>permit</i> same sex unions at all.  They don&#8217;t want the county clerk to perform them.  They don&#8217;t want the MCC minister down the street to perform them.  They don&#8217;t want my friend &#8212; a Wiccan High Priestess &#8212; to perform them.  They want their &#8220;personal conscience&#8221; to become the law of the land that everyone has to bow to, regardless of <i>other people&#8217;s</i> personal conscience.  This alone turns all their appeals to &#8220;religious freedom&#8221; on their heads and exposes them for the lies they are.</p>
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		<title>By: jonpol</title>
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		<dc:creator>jonpol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timothy Kincaid -

Would you consider becoming a member of the following website and posting this essay there as a blog ??

http://outmilitary.com/

If not, is it OK if I post it there as is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy Kincaid -</p>
<p>Would you consider becoming a member of the following website and posting this essay there as a blog ??</p>
<p><a href="http://outmilitary.com/" rel="nofollow">http://outmilitary.com/</a></p>
<p>If not, is it OK if I post it there as is?</p>
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		<title>By: DC</title>
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		<dc:creator>DC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 15:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for posting this, TK.  Your analysis of the points of debate is enlightening; this topic of bigots being marginalized has been a long-standing argument between myself and some old &#039;friends&#039;.  I&#039;m reading your article over and again until I&#039;m confident enough to use it in my arsenal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for posting this, TK.  Your analysis of the points of debate is enlightening; this topic of bigots being marginalized has been a long-standing argument between myself and some old &#8216;friends&#8217;.  I&#8217;m reading your article over and again until I&#8217;m confident enough to use it in my arsenal.</p>
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		<title>By: Blake</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blake</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 14:22:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This creates an environment that is increasingly hostile to the many chaplains—and the service members they serve—whose faith groups and personal consciences recognize homosexual behavior as immoral and unsafe and do not permit same-sex unions.&quot;

Two things strike me as amazing. Firstly that Southern Baptist identity is clearly linked with anti-gay animus. We&#039;ve seen this in their kicking-out of gay-neutral churches. It’s not enough to think gays are sinful, you also have to not-associate with gays in order to be Southern Baptist. 

The second amazing thing is how they have to through the adjective &quot;unsafe&quot; in there. They just can&#039;t help themselves! They have to push their pseudo-science. I guess it helps them fall asleep at night if they think we&#039;re harming ourselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This creates an environment that is increasingly hostile to the many chaplains—and the service members they serve—whose faith groups and personal consciences recognize homosexual behavior as immoral and unsafe and do not permit same-sex unions.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two things strike me as amazing. Firstly that Southern Baptist identity is clearly linked with anti-gay animus. We&#8217;ve seen this in their kicking-out of gay-neutral churches. It’s not enough to think gays are sinful, you also have to not-associate with gays in order to be Southern Baptist. </p>
<p>The second amazing thing is how they have to through the adjective &#8220;unsafe&#8221; in there. They just can&#8217;t help themselves! They have to push their pseudo-science. I guess it helps them fall asleep at night if they think we&#8217;re harming ourselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Ezam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ezam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 05:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hopefully one day most of those churches will lose their tax-exempt status.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hopefully one day most of those churches will lose their tax-exempt status.</p>
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		<title>By: Edwin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 01:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just another bunch of holy rollers trying to make sure we don&#039;t have any rights.  I&#039;m suprised they didn&#039;t try to get phelps to sign the lying lrtter too.
  When are these people going to learn we are here to stay weather they like it or not.
  These people are just as bad as the Governor of Tennessee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just another bunch of holy rollers trying to make sure we don&#8217;t have any rights.  I&#8217;m suprised they didn&#8217;t try to get phelps to sign the lying lrtter too.<br />
  When are these people going to learn we are here to stay weather they like it or not.<br />
  These people are just as bad as the Governor of Tennessee.</p>
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		<title>By: pax58</title>
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		<dc:creator>pax58</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 May 2011 01:12:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The far right denominations have been increasing putting folks in the military chaplaincy.  Most moderate to liberal Protestant as well as Roman Catholic chaplains realize they are in a diverse community and respect the individual conscience of service members, most of the far right don&#039;t.  There have been stories in the press about fundementalist military leaders trying to push their religious beliefs on others.  The Air Force Academy is proably the best known.  
From my point of view, they want to serve in the military, then open up thier minds, if not, don&#039;t join</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The far right denominations have been increasing putting folks in the military chaplaincy.  Most moderate to liberal Protestant as well as Roman Catholic chaplains realize they are in a diverse community and respect the individual conscience of service members, most of the far right don&#8217;t.  There have been stories in the press about fundementalist military leaders trying to push their religious beliefs on others.  The Air Force Academy is proably the best known.<br />
From my point of view, they want to serve in the military, then open up thier minds, if not, don&#8217;t join</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Kincaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Kincaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 May 2011 23:24:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just wondering...

With a grand total of 28 churches in the United States, I&#039;m wondering just how significant Grace Churches Intenational is to the overall chaplaincy program.  I wonder if they even have a single chaplain that they sponsor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just wondering&#8230;</p>
<p>With a grand total of 28 churches in the United States, I&#8217;m wondering just how significant Grace Churches Intenational is to the overall chaplaincy program.  I wonder if they even have a single chaplain that they sponsor.</p>
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