Comments on: But ‘freedom of religion’ means that you have to give me taxpayer money!! http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587 News, analysis and fact-checking of anti-gay rhetoric Sun, 19 May 2013 14:07:11 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.4.2 By: Richard Rush http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95339 Richard Rush Wed, 01 Jun 2011 02:01:06 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95339 Timothy, that's a great point! I wish I had thought of that. Timothy, that’s a great point! I wish I had thought of that.

]]> By: Timothy Kincaid http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95300 Timothy Kincaid Tue, 31 May 2011 20:00:05 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95300 <i>Oh, wait . . . . they don’t have any more money because they’ve been using it to fund anti-gay campaigns.</i> Now now, Richard. Be fair. That's not why they are hurting financially - their anti-gay contributions are but a small part of their expenditures. A closer look will show that a huge amount of money <i>is</i> going to children. In the form of settlements to the children they raped. Oh, wait . . . .
they don’t have any more money because they’ve been using it to fund anti-gay campaigns.

Now now, Richard. Be fair. That’s not why they are hurting financially – their anti-gay contributions are but a small part of their expenditures.

A closer look will show that a huge amount of money is going to children. In the form of settlements to the children they raped.

]]> By: Sean http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95216 Sean Sat, 28 May 2011 15:00:18 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95216 What confuses me is that these charities often serve non-Catholic kids and families. On what grounds do they demand the ability to impose their doctrines upon others on just this one question? What confuses me is that these charities often serve non-Catholic kids and families. On what grounds do they demand the ability to impose their doctrines upon others on just this one question?

]]> By: Richard Rush http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95215 Richard Rush Sat, 28 May 2011 14:32:03 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95215 If the Catholic Church wants to help children that need homes while maintaining their religious freedom, why doesn't the Church simply kick in the money to make up for rejecting government-money? Oh, wait . . . . they don't have any more money because they've been using it to fund anti-gay campaigns. After all, why use Church money to help children when you can use it to make the lives of gay people as miserable as possible? http://news.change.org/stories/the-catholic-church-americas-anti-lgbt-credit-card http://gay.americablog.com/2009/10/where-is-catholic-churchs-mystery-money.html http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=9947 http://news.change.org/stories/taking-the-minnesota-catholic-churchs-anti-gay-campaign-and-turning-it-into-art http://newmexicoindependent.com/63578/knights-of-columbus-funds-national-organization-for-marriage http://news.change.org/stories/maine-catholic-church-spends-crazy-money-to-kill-gay-marriage-while-shutting-down-parishes If the Catholic Church wants to help children that need homes while maintaining their religious freedom, why doesn’t the Church simply kick in the money to make up for rejecting government-money? Oh, wait . . . .
they don’t have any more money because they’ve been using it to fund anti-gay campaigns. After all, why use Church money to help children when you can use it to make the lives of gay people as miserable as possible?

http://news.change.org/stories/the-catholic-church-americas-anti-lgbt-credit-card

http://gay.americablog.com/2009/10/where-is-catholic-churchs-mystery-money.html

http://www.pridesource.com/article.html?article=9947

http://news.change.org/stories/taking-the-minnesota-catholic-churchs-anti-gay-campaign-and-turning-it-into-art

http://newmexicoindependent.com/63578/knights-of-columbus-funds-national-organization-for-marriage

http://news.change.org/stories/maine-catholic-church-spends-crazy-money-to-kill-gay-marriage-while-shutting-down-parishes

]]> By: PJB863 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95201 PJB863 Sat, 28 May 2011 03:44:47 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95201 What a joke. Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Chicago (next diocese to the East) got out of the foster care/adoption business in 2007, but it was due to insurance and liability issues, not civil unions. All that ended up happening was the caseworkers and their cases were transferred to secular agencies. It was transparent to the clients (the kids and foster/adoptive parents). I suspect there are other issues at play here, beyond civil unions - like insurance/liability issues, maybe. I smell some political grandstanding. What a joke. Catholic Charities of the Archdiocese of Chicago (next diocese to the East) got out of the foster care/adoption business in 2007, but it was due to insurance and liability issues, not civil unions. All that ended up happening was the caseworkers and their cases were transferred to secular agencies. It was transparent to the clients (the kids and foster/adoptive parents).

I suspect there are other issues at play here, beyond civil unions – like insurance/liability issues, maybe. I smell some political grandstanding.

]]> By: Manawolf http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95192 Manawolf Fri, 27 May 2011 22:46:24 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95192 I would argue quite passionately that freedom FROM religion is precisely the point of all this, you know, "America" stuff. Unfortunately, theocrats are louder and have more money. I would argue quite passionately that freedom FROM religion is precisely the point of all this, you know, “America” stuff.

Unfortunately, theocrats are louder and have more money.

]]> By: Iamposterity http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95190 Iamposterity Fri, 27 May 2011 21:52:30 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95190 I thought it was common knowledge that America gave favoritism to Christians mean while violating the religous freedom of everyone else. I mean if they are no longer allowed special treatment or able to legislate christianity through the court system then the world will end.......I say save humanity and end religion! I thought it was common knowledge that America gave favoritism to Christians mean while violating the religous freedom of everyone else. I mean if they are no longer allowed special treatment or able to legislate christianity through the court system then the world will end…….I say save humanity and end religion!

]]> By: ken http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95184 ken Fri, 27 May 2011 21:00:39 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95184 The other thing to consider is what the Rockford Diocese <strong>didn't</strong> ask for: They didn't ask for exemptions for jewish, muslim, atheist or other non-christian families. They didn't ask for an exemption for couples who had divorced and re-married. They didn't ask for an exemption for anything other than same-sex couples. Seems hypocrisy would better describe their reason for wanting an exemption rather than morality. The other thing to consider is what the Rockford Diocese didn’t ask for: They didn’t ask for exemptions for jewish, muslim, atheist or other non-christian families. They didn’t ask for an exemption for couples who had divorced and re-married. They didn’t ask for an exemption for anything other than same-sex couples. Seems hypocrisy would better describe their reason for wanting an exemption rather than morality.

]]> By: David C. http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/05/27/33587/comment-page-1#comment-95183 David C. Fri, 27 May 2011 20:44:35 +0000 http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/?p=33587#comment-95183 The RCC and its agencies that take public money have to follow the law and they don't like the law so they attempt to blackmail the state into changing the law or allowing just them to dictate the law. The RCC and its agencies can continue their missions, believe as they will, and observe the religious teachings they feel compelled to follow as long as no public money is involved. No one is denying them their religious freedom and that will become increasingly clear to those with even a passing familiarity with the facts. In a way, the RCC and its agencies that behave in this way are actually helping us by protecting our tax money from use as a resource for those that would indoctrinate children to discriminate against others because of a natural part of their character. A second way this helps is by stimulating a debate amongst thinking people about why we have allowed the intrusion of religious influence in our system of government and social services. We as a nation need to carefully consider the impact of our almost automatic deference to religious interests simply because they claim freedom of conscience as their justification—they are not free to do as they please because of it alone not can a secular society recognize them as somehow elect by virtue of their particular images of God and alleged holy writ. The RCC and its agencies that take public money have to follow the law and they don’t like the law so they attempt to blackmail the state into changing the law or allowing just them to dictate the law. The RCC and its agencies can continue their missions, believe as they will, and observe the religious teachings they feel compelled to follow as long as no public money is involved. No one is denying them their religious freedom and that will become increasingly clear to those with even a passing familiarity with the facts.

In a way, the RCC and its agencies that behave in this way are actually helping us by protecting our tax money from use as a resource for those that would indoctrinate children to discriminate against others because of a natural part of their character.

A second way this helps is by stimulating a debate amongst thinking people about why we have allowed the intrusion of religious influence in our system of government and social services.

We as a nation need to carefully consider the impact of our almost automatic deference to religious interests simply because they claim freedom of conscience as their justification—they are not free to do as they please because of it alone not can a secular society recognize them as somehow elect by virtue of their particular images of God and alleged holy writ.

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