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	<title>Comments on: The Truth Behind George Rekers&#8217;s &#8220;Independent Evaluations&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Irish Janet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Irish Janet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jun 2011 05:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whenever someone says they can change someone&#039;s inborn behavior scares me.  It is solely based on religious prejudices.  And for this person, definitely not a doctor, and groups like them as just as dangerous as the KKK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever someone says they can change someone&#8217;s inborn behavior scares me.  It is solely based on religious prejudices.  And for this person, definitely not a doctor, and groups like them as just as dangerous as the KKK.</p>
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		<title>By: TomTallis</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomTallis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 23:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yet UCLA was the academic home of Evelyn Hooker, the first psychologist to declare that gay people were just fine the way they were, and this was a decade before this Rekers episode.

Isn&#039;t there a horror movie called &quot;Reeker?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yet UCLA was the academic home of Evelyn Hooker, the first psychologist to declare that gay people were just fine the way they were, and this was a decade before this Rekers episode.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t there a horror movie called &#8220;Reeker?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Zoe Brain</title>
		<link>http://www.boxturtlebulletin.com/2011/06/09/34042/comment-page-1#comment-95829</link>
		<dc:creator>Zoe Brain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 22:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To see where George Rekers is coming from, you need to read a work he edited in 1986 : The Christian World View of the Family , Edited by Dr. George Rekers, Ph.D., Chairman; Jerry Regier, M.A.B.S., Co-Chairman; With contributions by members of the Family Committee of The Coalition on Revival; Dr. Jay Grimstead, General Editor; E. Calvin Beisner, M.A., Assistant to the General Editor:

&quot;We deny that the state has a right to impose unrealistic standards on families; that the so-called offenses of “emotional neglect,” “emotional abuse,” “educational neglect,” etc., which form the bulk of substantiated reports of “child abuse and neglect,” are in fact crimes against children;
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We affirm that Biblical spanking may cause temporary and superficial bruises or welts that do not constitute child abuse, but that proven brutality to a child resulting in permanent disfigurement or serious injury should be punished by law&quot;

There&#039;s a lot of stuff there about how both Homosexuality and Masturbation should be illegal, how a proper wife should be submissive and obedient to her husband and not go out to work etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To see where George Rekers is coming from, you need to read a work he edited in 1986 : The Christian World View of the Family , Edited by Dr. George Rekers, Ph.D., Chairman; Jerry Regier, M.A.B.S., Co-Chairman; With contributions by members of the Family Committee of The Coalition on Revival; Dr. Jay Grimstead, General Editor; E. Calvin Beisner, M.A., Assistant to the General Editor:</p>
<p>&#8220;We deny that the state has a right to impose unrealistic standards on families; that the so-called offenses of “emotional neglect,” “emotional abuse,” “educational neglect,” etc., which form the bulk of substantiated reports of “child abuse and neglect,” are in fact crimes against children;<br />
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We affirm that Biblical spanking may cause temporary and superficial bruises or welts that do not constitute child abuse, but that proven brutality to a child resulting in permanent disfigurement or serious injury should be punished by law&#8221;</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot of stuff there about how both Homosexuality and Masturbation should be illegal, how a proper wife should be submissive and obedient to her husband and not go out to work etc.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottLanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottLanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jewish community demanded that Dr. Mengele be held accountable for his &#039;experiments&#039;. Shouldn&#039;t Dr. Rekers be held to the same standard by the gay community?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jewish community demanded that Dr. Mengele be held accountable for his &#8216;experiments&#8217;. Shouldn&#8217;t Dr. Rekers be held to the same standard by the gay community?</p>
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		<title>By: ScottLanter</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottLanter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was shocking to see how effeminate Rekers is. I wish CNN had pursued a more in-depth interview with him. Rekers was so desperate to hide behind pseudo-scientific language and double talk. According to Rekers own logic, there needs to be a lengthy analysis of why he has failed to develop any outwardly masculine mannerisms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was shocking to see how effeminate Rekers is. I wish CNN had pursued a more in-depth interview with him. Rekers was so desperate to hide behind pseudo-scientific language and double talk. According to Rekers own logic, there needs to be a lengthy analysis of why he has failed to develop any outwardly masculine mannerisms.</p>
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		<title>By: Grandmère Mimi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grandmère Mimi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 20:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, thank you again for your research and writing the story.  UCLA?  Yes, those were different times, when we put implicit trust in doctors and scientists.  When will someone at UCLA step up and take responsibility?  Where are the apologies?  Surely, they know better now.

Reading the story knocked the wind out of me, I can tell you, and I probably shouldn&#039;t even be writing here until I take time to recover.  I said elsewhere in a comment that I had to take the story in two parts because it was just too painful and tragic to read all at once.

Thank you again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, thank you again for your research and writing the story.  UCLA?  Yes, those were different times, when we put implicit trust in doctors and scientists.  When will someone at UCLA step up and take responsibility?  Where are the apologies?  Surely, they know better now.</p>
<p>Reading the story knocked the wind out of me, I can tell you, and I probably shouldn&#8217;t even be writing here until I take time to recover.  I said elsewhere in a comment that I had to take the story in two parts because it was just too painful and tragic to read all at once.</p>
<p>Thank you again.</p>
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		<title>By: CPT_Doom</title>
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		<dc:creator>CPT_Doom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 19:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ray, I don&#039;t doubt that closed captioning may have &quot;dulled&quot; the CNN story a bit - they rely a lot on the emotion being expressed by the family, for instance, and not only does CC not show that, the CC often is a bit behind the report, so gets confusing. However in general pieces like this on the TV cannot have the impact of research like Jim&#039;s. AC360 is devoting less than 25 minutes, total, over three nights, while Jim&#039;s report takes at least 3 - 4 times that to just read. 

As for UCLA and the approval of this &quot;research,&quot; it is sad but true that Psychology as a science was woefully inadequate back in those days. I was a psych major in the 80s and we learned about the lack of ethical considerations, never mind the lack of a formal definition of what &quot;mental illness&quot; is, which the APA did not have until 1973 (the quest for this definition was directly responsible for the dropping of homosexuality from the DSM).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ray, I don&#8217;t doubt that closed captioning may have &#8220;dulled&#8221; the CNN story a bit &#8211; they rely a lot on the emotion being expressed by the family, for instance, and not only does CC not show that, the CC often is a bit behind the report, so gets confusing. However in general pieces like this on the TV cannot have the impact of research like Jim&#8217;s. AC360 is devoting less than 25 minutes, total, over three nights, while Jim&#8217;s report takes at least 3 &#8211; 4 times that to just read. </p>
<p>As for UCLA and the approval of this &#8220;research,&#8221; it is sad but true that Psychology as a science was woefully inadequate back in those days. I was a psych major in the 80s and we learned about the lack of ethical considerations, never mind the lack of a formal definition of what &#8220;mental illness&#8221; is, which the APA did not have until 1973 (the quest for this definition was directly responsible for the dropping of homosexuality from the DSM).</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m deaf and have to view the AC360 series with closed captions, but speaking from that view, AC360&#039;s treatment of this simply doesn&#039;t have the power of Jim&#039;s investigation. The TV version strikes me as superficial and Jim&#039;s writing is filled with rich and deeply personal detail. 

I&#039;m so very grateful for Jim Burroway and Timothy Kincaid. They find a way to speak about gay lives that dignify us, make us the human being we are, without shading or distorting the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it&#8217;s because I&#8217;m deaf and have to view the AC360 series with closed captions, but speaking from that view, AC360&#8242;s treatment of this simply doesn&#8217;t have the power of Jim&#8217;s investigation. The TV version strikes me as superficial and Jim&#8217;s writing is filled with rich and deeply personal detail. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m so very grateful for Jim Burroway and Timothy Kincaid. They find a way to speak about gay lives that dignify us, make us the human being we are, without shading or distorting the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry Hall</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 18:04:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The really really shocking thing is that exactly this kind of thing is still being done to little boys by &quot;eminent psychologists&quot; even now, in 2011.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really really shocking thing is that exactly this kind of thing is still being done to little boys by &#8220;eminent psychologists&#8221; even now, in 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: homer</title>
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		<dc:creator>homer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 17:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish the Murphy family would sue Rekers for every sordid penny. He does not deserve the money he made as an expert witness from the States of Arkansas and Florida.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish the Murphy family would sue Rekers for every sordid penny. He does not deserve the money he made as an expert witness from the States of Arkansas and Florida.</p>
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